When calculating a car's acceleration, is it ok to substitute Torque?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between torque and acceleration in the context of a car's motion. Participants are exploring whether it is appropriate to substitute torque into the equation for acceleration, considering the definitions and relationships between force, mass, and torque.

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  • Participants are questioning the type of torque being referenced and the context in which it is measured. There are discussions about the conditions under which torque can be related to acceleration, particularly in terms of fixed coordinate systems and the geometry of the forces involved.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the conditions necessary for relating torque and acceleration. Some have offered clarifications on the geometric relationships involved, while others are seeking more context to understand the original poster's question better.

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There is a noted ambiguity regarding the specific type of torque and the radius being discussed, which may affect the validity of the proposed substitution. The discussion highlights the importance of context in applying physical principles.

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Homework Statement
" When calculating a car's acceleration, is it ok to substitute Torque into a= F/m "
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a= F/m

T= Fr
1. When calculating a car's acceleration, is it ok to substitute Torque into a= F/ma= F/m
T= FrF= T/rwhere

a= acceleration,
F= force,
m= mass,
T= Torque,
r= radius,a= T/rm ?
 
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What type of torque are you referring to?
 
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Lnewqban said:
What type of torque are you referring to?
I think there is only one type of torque ; do you mean, where is this torque being measured?
I would also ask where this radius is being measured.
 
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I agree with @haruspex, it is tricky to say without more context. If we measure torques about some fixed coordinate system, and the car we model as a particle, then if the resultant force on the car is ##\vec{F}## we can write down ##\vec{F} = m\vec{a}## (or with magnitudes, ##F=ma##) in addition to ##\vec{\tau} = \vec{r} \times \vec{F}##. The latter also reduces to ##\tau = rF\sin{\theta}## if we take magnitudes.

Now if the angle ##\theta## between the ##\vec{r}## vector and the ##\vec{F}## vector is 90 degrees, then ##\tau = rF##, like you say. So if all these conditions are satisfied, ##\tau = rma## is I believe valid.

The condition that ##\vec{r}## always be orthogonal to ##\vec{F}## is the most restrictive one here. It means that your equation is fine for something like circular motion, but generally incorrect for most planar motion.
 
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