Is the Cancellation of Differentials Valid in Calculating Inductor Energy?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of canceling differentials in the context of calculating the energy stored in an inductor. Participants explore the mathematical justification for this cancellation and its implications in calculus, particularly focusing on integration and variable substitution.

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  • Some participants reference the formula for energy stored in an inductor and question whether it is valid to cancel the differential dt in the integration process.
  • One participant suggests that the cancellation can be justified through a "u substitution," explaining the change of variables and limits of integration.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about the manipulation of differentials, questioning the legitimacy of moving derivative symbols around without rigorous justification.
  • Some participants discuss the chain rule and the fundamental theorem of calculus as foundational to understanding the cancellation of differentials, suggesting it is a shorthand for variable changes.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of nonstandard analysis, proposing that in that context, differentials may represent actual terms rather than mere notation, although this perspective is noted to be less commonly taught.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the manipulation of differentials, with some agreeing on the validity of the cancellation under certain conditions, while others remain uncertain or contest the approach. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the broader implications of these manipulations.

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Participants acknowledge gaps in foundational calculus knowledge and the potential for confusion surrounding the rigorous application of calculus principles in this context. There is also mention of differing educational approaches to teaching these concepts.

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From http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indeng.html#c1, for calculating the energy stored in an inductor:

[tex]P=Li\frac{di}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]E=\int_{0}^{t}Pdt=\int_0^ILidi=\frac{1}{2}LI^2[/tex]

Is there a theorem that says it's okay to just cancel out the dt in that second equation, and then replace the limits of integration?
 
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BucketOfFish said:
From http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indeng.html#c1, for calculating the energy stored in an inductor:

[tex]P=Li\frac{di}{dt}[/tex]
[tex]E=\int_{0}^{t}Pdt=\int_0^ILidi=\frac{1}{2}LI^2[/tex]

Is there a theorem that says it's okay to just cancel out the dt in that second equation, and then replace the limits of integration?

Yes, it's just an ordinary "u substitution". To make it clear I will use ##T## instead of the dummy variable ##t##, so you are doing the integral$$
\int_0^t L i \frac{di}{dT}dT$$Now let's change variables: ##u = i(T),\ du=\frac{di}{dT}dT##. When ##T=0,\ u=i(0)=0## and when ##T = t,\ u = i(t) = I##, so we get$$
\int_0^ILu du =\left . \frac{Lu^2}{2}\right|_0^I=\frac 1 2 LI^2$$
 
There must be some gaps in my basic knowledge of calculus (I learned this stuff in high school and it wasn't exactly rigorous), but why is it that you can say [itex]du=\frac{di}{dT}dT[/itex]? Did you first have to say that [itex]\frac{du}{dT}=\frac{di}{dT}[/itex] and then move the [itex]dT[/itex] over to the right side? In that case, I guess the same question remains in a different format. Does it not cause problems to just move the derivative symbols around like that?
 
Consider that

$$\frac{1}{2}\frac{d}{dT}\left(i^2\right) = i \frac{di}{dT}$$
by the chain rule.

So, the integral is just

$$\int_0^t dT \frac{d}{dT}(i^2(T)) = i^2(t) - i^2(0)$$
by the fundamental theorem of calculus.

The 'cancellation' of differentials is in some sense just an abuse of notation that is allowable because it is really just a shorthand for changing variables, as LCKurtz showed, and the change of variables comes about through use of the chain rule.
 
Mute said:
Consider that

$$\frac{1}{2}\frac{d}{dT}\left(i^2 \right) = i \frac{di}{dT}$$
by the chain rule.

So, the integral is just

$$\int_0^t dT \frac{d}{dT}(i^2(T)) = i^2(T) - i^2(0)$$
by the fundamental theorem of calculation.

The 'cancellation' of differentials is in some sense just an abuse of notation that it allowable because it is really just a shorthand for situations like the chain-rule trick above.

You forgot a \right. :smile: Fixed. EDIT: Looks like you beat me to it.

Anyway, it turns out in nonstandard analysis that this isn't just an abuse of notation, and that the "d"s are actual terms, though they are infinitesimals. But most teachers won't tell you that because you won't have the means to prove this in a long, long while.
 

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