Is the Commutator of a Cross Product a Vector Operator?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of vector operators in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on whether the cross product of two vector operators, \(\vec{V}\) and \(\vec{W}\), is itself a vector operator. Participants are tasked with demonstrating this through the commutation relations with the angular momentum operator \(\vec{J}\).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the definition of vector operators and the implications of commutation relations. There is a discussion about the appropriate type of multiplication to use when expressing the commutator, with initial confusion about whether to use the dot product.

Discussion Status

The conversation has highlighted differing interpretations of the commutation relations involving vector operators. Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the structure of the commutator and its components, while others have questioned the sufficiency of certain conditions to establish that the cross product is a vector operator.

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There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and properties of vector operators, with references to external sources for clarification. Participants are also addressing potential misconceptions regarding the commutation relations and their implications.

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Homework Statement


Given that \vec{V} and \vec{W} are vector operators, show that \vec{V}\times \vec{W} is also a vector operator.

2. The attempt at a solution
The only way I know how to do this is by showing that the commutator with the angular momentum vector operator (\vec{J}) is zero. Namely that [\vec{V}\times \vec{W} , \vec{J}] = 0. I want to start the problem by expressing the commutator as I would usually do by writing [A,B] = AB - BA, but I don't know exactly which type of multiplication to use here. Intuition tells me the dot product, but I want to be sure.
 
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Dot product is right.

Edit: Or not, see below.
 
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teroenza said:

Homework Statement


Given that \vec{V} and \vec{W} are vector operators, show that \vec{V}\times \vec{W} is also a vector operator.

2. The attempt at a solution
The only way I know how to do this is by showing that the commutator with the angular momentum vector operator (\vec{J}) is zero. Namely that [\vec{V}\times \vec{W} , \vec{J}] = 0. I want to start the problem by expressing the commutator as I would usually do by writing [A,B] = AB - BA, but I don't know exactly which type of multiplication to use here. Intuition tells me the dot product, but I want to be sure.

No, it's not the dot-product. The usual meaning of [A, \vec{J}] is that the result is a composite object (a tensor) with three components:

[A, J_x], [A, J_y], [A, J_z]

If A is itself a vector, then you get 9 components:

[\vec{A}, \vec{J}] = T

where T_{ij} = [A_i, J_j] and where i and j are either x, y, or z.

As to your claim that for a vector operator, [\vec{A}, \vec{J}] = 0, you should try an example with the momentum operator, \vec{p}. Try [p_x, J_y].
 
Thank you. That is a mistake above. I meant that the only way I know of to show that it is a vector operator, is to show that <br /> [\vec{V}\times \vec{W} , \vec{J}] \neq 0. I was able to show that this is the case. This means it is not a scalar operator, but I am not sure if this is sufficient to show that it is a vector operator. It does mean that the rotation generator operator U won't commute with V x W.

Edit: I believe now that the condition to show that it is a vector operator, is to show that: <br /> [(\vec{V}\times \vec{W})_{i}, \vec{J}_{j}] = i \hbar \epsilon_{ijk} (\vec{V}\times \vec{W})_{k}<br />
 
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