Is the derivative of (ln x)^2 a u-sub?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation and integration of the function (ln x)^2, specifically whether a u-substitution is appropriate and how to correctly apply integration by parts.

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  • Participants explore the use of u-substitution and integration by parts, questioning the correctness of the derivative and the application of the integration formula.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the application of integration by parts and the need to revisit the derivative of (ln x)^2. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, with no explicit consensus reached.

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There is uncertainty regarding the correct application of the integration by parts formula and the derivative of (ln x)^2, with participants suggesting different approaches to clarify these points.

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Is this a u-sub? I went through and got 1/(2x)^2 but I am not sure if that is correct.
 
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You can use a substitution, but the answer is not quite 1/(2x)^2.

How did you arrive at that answer?
 
danago said:
You can use a substitution, but the answer is not quite 1/(2x)^2.

How did you arrive at that answer?

Actually I asked the wrong question.

I'm working on an integration by parts problem it asks me to integrate what is in the topic title.
I went about it by saying that U = ln(x)^2 and that dv = 1.

When I went through and plugged everything into the integration by parts formula I arrived at

xln(x)-(integral sign)(1)(1/(2x)^2)

The thing that I am getting hooked up is trying to take that integral of 1/(2x)^2. I think I messed up somewhere but I am not sure where to look. Any suggestions?
 
Hmm I am not really sure how you ended up xln(x)-(integral sign)(1)(1/(2x)^2).

I would choose the same parts as you did, i.e. u = (ln x)^2 and dv = 1, but I am not sure you applied the formula correctly.

[tex]\int u dv =uv - \int v du[/tex]

Is that what you are using?
 
danago said:
Hmm I am not really sure how you ended up xln(x)-(integral sign)(1)(1/(2x)^2).

I would choose the same parts as you did, i.e. u = (ln x)^2 and dv = 1, but I am not sure you applied the formula correctly.

[tex]\int u dv =uv - \int v du[/tex]

Is that what you are using?

Yeah that's what I am using. du = 1/(2x^2) v= x

(lnx)^2)(x)-(integral)(1/(2x)^2)(1)

Did I take the derivative of (ln(x))^2 wrong?
 
Yea maybe have another look at the derivative of (ln x)2

You could use the substitution z = ln(x), or treat it as (ln x)2 = (ln x)(ln x) and apply the product rule.
 

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