Is the direct sum of cyclic p-groups a cyclic group?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of direct sums of cyclic groups, specifically focusing on whether the direct sum of cyclic groups is isomorphic to another cyclic group. Participants explore the conditions under which this is true, particularly in the context of prime numbers and the Chinese remainder theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the direct sum of Z_a and Z_b is not isomorphic to Z_ab for arbitrary natural numbers a and b.
  • Others propose that if p and q are distinct primes, then the direct sum of Z_p^m and Z_q^n is isomorphic to Z_(p^m * q^n).
  • A participant mentions that Z2 x Z2 is not cyclic, providing a counter-example based on the orders of elements.
  • Another participant discusses the relationship between the orders of elements in abelian groups, suggesting that if gcd(m,n) ≠ 1, then Zm x Zn cannot be isomorphic to Zmn.
  • Some participants highlight the Chinese remainder theorem as a relevant concept, noting its implications for isomorphisms between cyclic groups.
  • There is a claim that if gcd(a,b)=1, then Z_ab is isomorphic to Z_a x Z_b, extending the discussion beyond just p-groups.
  • One participant suggests that every abelian group can be decomposed into a direct sum of cyclic groups, which can further be decomposed into cyclic p-groups.
  • A later reply introduces a formula relating Z/m x Z/n to Z/gcd x Z/lcm, indicating a general relationship between these groups.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the isomorphism of direct sums of cyclic groups, with some agreeing on specific cases (like distinct primes) while others present counter-examples and alternative conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general case of direct sums.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of cyclic groups and the conditions under which isomorphisms hold, particularly regarding the gcd of group orders. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps required to fully establish the claims made.

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For arbitrary natural numbers a and b, I don't think the direct sum of Z_a and Z_b (considered as additive groups) is isomorphic to Z_ab. But I think if p and q are distinct primes, the direct sum of Z_p^m and Z_q^n is always isomorphic to Z_(p^m * q^n). Am I right? I've been freely using these facts in abstract algebra, but I wanted to make sure they're correct.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You in Advance.
 
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as a counter-example Z2 x Z2 is not cyclic, as it has no element of order 4:

(0,0) is of order 1
(1,0) + (1,0) = (0,0)
(0,1) + (0,1) = (0,0)
(1,1) + (1,1) = (0,0)

so all other elements are of order 2.

in fact, it is not hard to show that if G is abelian (and AxB is abelian if A and B are, which is certainly true if A and B are cyclic) that

|xy| ≤ lcm(|x|,|y|), so if gcd(m,n) ≠ 1, then Zm x Zn cannot possibly be isomorphic to Zmn, since there aren't any elements of order mn.

on the other hand, the CRT is equivalent to saying

k → (k (mod m), k (mod n)) is an isomorphism of Zmn with Zm x Zn when gcd(m,n) = 1. this is clearly a homomorphism, so showing it's surjective is the hard part (which is really the same thing as showing (1,1) generates the direct product).

(actually the CRT usually gives the inverse isomorphism, and the construction of the solution to:

x = a mod m
x = b mod n

actually gives us the inverse isomorphism, which is the pre-image of the isomorphism above of (a,b):

x = an[n-1]m + bm[m-1]n (mod mn),

where [n-1]m denotes the inverse of n (mod m), which exists only when gcd(m,n) = 1).

i always knew that that "least common multiple" stuff they made me suffer through in grade school while doing fractions would pay off someday.
 
lugita15 said:
For arbitrary natural numbers a and b, I don't think the direct sum of Z_a and Z_b (considered as additive groups) is isomorphic to Z_ab. But I think if p and q are distinct primes, the direct sum of Z_p^m and Z_q^n is always isomorphic to Z_(p^m * q^n). Am I right? I've been freely using these facts in abstract algebra, but I wanted to make sure they're correct.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You in Advance.

Even something more general is true!
Indeed, if gcd(a,b)=1, then \mathbb{Z}_{ab}\cong \mathbb{Z}_a\times \mathbb{Z}_b. So the result is not only true for p-groups.
 
micromass said:
Even something more general is true!
Indeed, if gcd(a,b)=1, then \mathbb{Z}_{ab}\cong \mathbb{Z}_a\times \mathbb{Z}_b. So the result is not only true for p-groups.

and something even more general is true: every abelian group can be decomposed into a direct sum of cyclic groups, which in turn can be decomposed into cyclic p-groups (different p's, of course).

abelian groups are the well-mannered groups that always say please and thank-you. as such, many mathemeticians find them boring, and only ask those hot and unpredictable nonabelian groups out on dates.
 
try this one:

Z/m x Z/n = Z/gcd x Z/lcm, whenever.
 

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