Is the energy output of an engine constant?

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The discussion revolves around the energy output of an engine and whether it remains constant under varying conditions. Participants explore the relationship between power, torque, and RPM, as well as the implications of pressing the gas pedal on power output. The conversation also touches on the energy expenditure of human activities like running versus walking, considering factors such as gravity and resistive forces.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether an engine outputs a constant amount of energy per unit time, suggesting that pressing the gas pedal may increase power output.
  • Others argue that the power output of an engine is dependent on RPM and torque, and changes when these variables are altered.
  • One participant mentions the first law of thermodynamics, indicating that more fuel leads to more energy transformation and thus more power output.
  • There is a discussion about the energy expenditure in running versus walking, with participants noting that running likely requires more energy despite gravity not doing work in the vertical direction.
  • Some participants explore the concept of work done on blocks moving on a frictionless surface, debating whether the time taken affects the work required.
  • Concerns are raised about resistive forces in real-world scenarios, particularly in relation to car acceleration and fuel consumption.
  • Participants express confusion about the relationship between power, work, and energy, particularly in the context of engines and human movement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether the energy output of an engine is constant, with multiple competing views on how power output changes with different conditions. The discussion on human energy expenditure also remains unresolved, with differing opinions on the factors influencing energy use in running versus walking.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions of work and power, particularly in simplified scenarios. There are also unresolved questions about the impact of resistive forces on energy expenditure in both engines and human activities.

  • #31
A.T. said:
... to accelerate from zero to a certain speed assuming the same mass.
I think the qualifier also implied only losses internal to the engine, so it is true at constant speed as well -- the real world application being what I described above.
 
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  • #32
Thom_Silva said:
So is theoretically possible to have a very powerfull car (a super car for example), that can use less fuel to mantain a given speed than a less powerful car. If that is true, that's an interesting realization. I wonder why doesn't that happen more frequently, if it happens at all.
Some of the losses are a fixed function of size, not a fraction of output. So for identical cars and driving, the smaller engine will essentially always produce better fuel efficiency.

Say, for example, 2 engines are each 30% efficient at peak power, 25% efficient at half power. If one engine can produce 100 hp while the other can produce 200, then at 100 hp, the smaller engine is 30% efficient and the larger engine 25% efficient.
 
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