B Is the Euclidean postulate a theorem?

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The discussion centers on the nature of the Euclidean parallel postulate, with participants debating whether it can be considered a theorem. It is noted that while one can construct a unique parallel line through a point not on a given line, this does not imply that it is the only parallel line possible in different geometries. The conversation highlights the historical struggle to prove the parallel postulate using only Euclid's first four postulates, emphasizing that many attempts have ultimately failed due to hidden assumptions. The existence of non-Euclidean geometries, where the fifth postulate does not hold, is also acknowledged, illustrating that the uniqueness of parallel lines can vary based on the underlying geometry. Ultimately, the thread concludes that the fifth postulate remains a distinct and unprovable axiom in Euclidean geometry.
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jbriggs444 said:
So you have in mind that if we pick out three points on it then the equator on a sphere counts as a degenerate "triangle" on the surface of that sphere. Yes, it seems to fit the definition.
By your definition for the triangle (post 40) and your clarification in post 42,connecting three points by curved line segments could resulting to draw i.e. an ellipse or even a circle.
 
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binis said:
By your definition for the triangle (post 40) and your clarification in post 42,connecting three points by curved line segments could resulting to draw i.e. an ellipse or even a circle.
The equator on a sphere is straight by your definition.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
The equator on a sphere is straight by your definition.
And this is by your definition,which is wider than mine.
 
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Definitions are just that. They are there to be helpful. This thread is not helpful. There is no such thing as "my" definition having any particular merit, let alone being the only one that is "correct".
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