Is the Expectation Value of Momentum for a Superposition of Sine Functions Zero?

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The discussion revolves around the expectation value of momentum for a superposition of sine functions in quantum mechanics, specifically examining whether the average momentum is zero for given wavefunctions. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to wavefunctions in a particle-in-a-box scenario.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the expectation value of momentum for the wavefunction Ψ(x)=(2/a)^(1/2) [csin(nπx/a)] and concludes it is zero, suggesting the particle moves equally in the +x and -x directions.
  • Another participant clarifies that a zero expectation value indicates equal likelihood of measuring momentum in either direction, rather than implying equal motion.
  • A participant asserts that for any wavefunction satisfying certain boundary conditions (specifically Ψ(0) = Ψ(a) = 0), the expectation value of momentum will be zero, although they express uncertainty regarding complex wavefunctions.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about whether the expectation value remains zero for the superposition Ψ(x)=(2/a)^(1/2) {csin(πx/a)+dsin(2πx/a)}, with one participant affirming this for a particle in a box.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the expectation value of momentum is zero for the discussed wavefunctions under certain conditions, but there is some uncertainty regarding the implications of this result and its applicability to complex wavefunctions.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific boundary conditions and the potential differences in behavior for complex wavefunctions, which remain unresolved in the discussion.

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Ψ(x)=(2/a)^(1/2) [csin(nπx/a)]

The Expectation value of momentum <P>=∫Ψ*(x)[-ih d/dx ] Ψ(x) dx = 0
the average momentum is zero.It means the particle is moving equally in the +x and -x.

And
if Ψ(x)=(2/a)^(1/2) {csin(πx/a)+dsin(2πx/a)}

I calculate the average momentum is also zero,too,
Is this means the same?
My teacher didn't tell me the answer,and he say it is not zero "intuitively".
But i think it is zero,isn't?

Because Ψ(x)=(2/a)^(1/2) [csin(πx/a)]+ (2/a)^(1/2) [dsin(2πx/a)]
according to the Ψ(x)=(2/a)^(1/2) [csin(nπx/a)] ---> <p>=0
so <p>=0+0=0



thanks.
 
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posion117 said:
It means the particle is moving equally in the +x and -x.

That's not quite what it means. It means that upon measurement, the particle has an equal likelihood of being found moving in either the +x or -x direction (I assume we're talking about a particle in a box).

For any* wavefunction at all (even something weird like \psi(x) = 3x^x), the expected momentum will be 0 so long as \psi(0) = \psi(a) = 0.

Here's why:

\langle p_x \rangle = \int_{0}^{a} \psi^{*}(x) \left[ -i \hbar \frac{d\psi}{dx} \right]\, dx

\langle p_x \rangle = -i \hbar \int_{0}^{a} \psi(x) \frac{d\psi}{dx}\, dx

\langle p_x \rangle = \frac{-i \hbar}{2}\left[ \psi(a)^2 - \psi(0)^2 \right]

\langle p_x \rangle = 0

*The above math does not verify if this is true for complex wavefunctions, but my guess is "probably". If someone wants to prove/disprove that, feel free.
 
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so if the Ψ(x)=(2/a)^(1/2) {csin(πx/a)+dsin(2πx/a)}
do the <P>=0 ??
 
posion117 said:
so if the Ψ(x)=(2/a)^(1/2) {csin(πx/a)+dsin(2πx/a)}
do the <P>=0 ??

Yep -- for a particle in a box. (Although I am assuming you meant to put an "n" in the argument of each sine function).
 
thanks ^^
 

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