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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function x * e^x, with participants exploring the correctness of the original poster's approach to solving it. The subject area includes integration techniques and differentiation rules.

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  • Participants examine the steps taken by the original poster, questioning the differentiation methods used and the validity of the integral's convergence. Some suggest alternative approaches, such as using the chain rule, while others express skepticism about the existence of an antiderivative for the function.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's reasoning and questioning the assumptions made regarding the integral's convergence. There is a focus on clarifying differentiation techniques and the implications of the integrand's behavior over certain intervals.

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Some participants note the potential issue of the integral being unbounded for certain values of x, raising concerns about the existence of the integral without specified limits of integration.

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[tex]\int x[/tex]exdx = ?

Is this correct?

[tex]\int x[/tex]exdx

= [tex]\int e[/tex]ln(x)exdx
= [tex]\int e[/tex]exln(x)dx

u = ex
x = ln(u)
du = exdx
[tex]du/u[/tex] = dx

= ∫ ln(u)u*(1/u)*du

a = ln(u)u
EDIT: da = ln(u)u-1du
dv = 1/u du
v = ln(u)

= ln(u)u+1 - ∫ [ln(u)]udu

u = ex

= ln(ex)ex+1 - ∫ [ln(ex)]exdx

∫xexdx = xex+1-∫xexdx

2∫xexdx = xex+1
∫xexdx = xex+1*(1/2)+C
 
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ƒ(x) said:
a = ln(u)u
da = ln(u)u-1

:eek: eeks, that's not really how you differentiate that function is it?
∫xexdx = xex+1*(1/2)+C

Have you tried differentiating this result?

More to the point, does this integral actually exist/converge for all values of x?...Surely you are given integration limits?
 
gabbagabbahey said:
:eek: eeks, that's not really how you differentiate that function is it?

Well...I skipped some steps.

a = ln(u)^u
a = 1/u (chain rule) * u (bring down the exponent) * ln(u)^u-1 (subtract from the exponent)
a = ln(u)^(u-1) (simplify)
 
You can't do that when the exponent is the variable.
 
Unknot said:
You can't do that when the exponent is the variable.

Oh...Hm...what would you do then?
 
make the function e^(something). Then you can use chain rule.
 
Again, there is an even bigger issue here than you incorrectly differentiating 'a':

gabbagabbahey said:
More to the point, does this integral actually exist/converge for all values of x?...Surely you are given integration limits?

To illustrate the problem, I've plotted the integrand for x=[0,3]:

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2144/hmmmp.th.jpg

Does it look as though the area under the curve is bounded?
 
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Unknot said:
You can't do that when the exponent is the variable.

Wait...what's wrong with the way I did it? I'm differentiating with respect to u.
 
(d/dx)3^x is not x3^(x-1).
 
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what is the integral of x^(e^x) then?
 
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I really doubt you can integrate it indefinitely.
 
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ƒ(x) said:
what is the integral of x^(e^x) then?

It is unreasonable to expect an antiderivative to exist, when the area under the curve of the integrand becomes unbounded at around x=5!...That means for almost half of the real number line, the integral does not exist.

There is no antiderivative for this function, but if you are given specific integration limits, and the integral is bounded on that interval, you may still be able to evaluate analytically by using a trick or two, and if that fails numerical integration is always available.

So, I ask for the 3rd time; Are you given limits of integration?
 
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ƒ(x) said:
Wait...what's wrong with the way I did it? I'm differentiating with respect to u.

[tex]\frac{d}{dx} f(x)^{g(x)}= \frac{d}{dx} e^{\ln(f(x)^{g(x)})}=\frac{d}{dx} e^{g(x)\ln(f(x))}=e^{g(x)\ln(f(x))}\left(g'(x)\ln(f(x))+\frac{g(x)}{f(x)}f'(x)\right)[/tex]

[tex]=f(x)^{g(x)}\left(g'(x)\ln(f(x))+\frac{g(x)}{f(x)}f'(x)\right)\neq g'(x)f(x)^{g(x)-1}[/tex]
 

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