Is the Large Hadron Collider large?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the term "large" in the context of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). Participants explore whether the adjective refers to the collider itself, the hadrons it collides, or both, while also discussing the implications of the terminology used in particle physics.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what the term "large" qualifies in the name "Large Hadron Collider," suggesting it could refer to either the collider or the hadrons.
  • Others assert that the LHC is the largest and most powerful particle accelerator, emphasizing its size in terms of physical dimensions.
  • There is a distinction made between the size of the collider and the size of the hadrons, with some participants clarifying that the "large" refers to the collider itself.
  • Some participants mention that the LHC accelerates protons, which are the smallest stable hadrons, and that heavy ions are typically referred to as "heavy" rather than "large."
  • Participants note that large hadrons, or heavy ions, are collided in other facilities, providing examples of such facilities.
  • There is a discussion about the historical context of the name and its implications, with some asserting that the term "large" specifically refers to the collider's dimensions.
  • One participant highlights the significance of RIKEN in the context of heavy ion accelerators and new element discoveries.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of "large" in the context of the LHC, with no clear consensus reached regarding whether it refers to the collider, the hadrons, or both. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on historical context and terminology specific to particle physics, which may not be universally understood. The discussion includes various assumptions about the definitions of "large" and "heavy" in relation to hadrons and accelerators.

Beanyboy
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Or, is that that the hadrons are large? Or, are they both large? What exactly is the adjective "large" qualifying please? I do know that the tunnel is very large indeed, and that this is the most sophisticated machine ever built.
 
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So, you're guess is that this is a hadron collider, which is very large. As opposed to a hadron collider for large hadrons?

Thanks for the response.
 
I know (large hadron) colliders as heavy-ions-colliders.
 
Most of the experiments involve protons, which are the smallest stable hadrons.
 
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Beanyboy said:
So, you're guess is that...
That's not a guess, it's a historical fact about where the name came from.
 
Nugatory said:
That's not a guess, it's a historical fact about where the name came from.
So, to clarify then: the collider is large, not the hadrons?
 
Beanyboy said:
So, to clarify then: the collider is large, not the hadrons?
Yes. Large hadrons, i.e. heavy ions are smashed in other facilities: Dubna, Darmstadt or Berkeley.
 
Beanyboy said:
So, to clarify then: the collider is large, not the hadrons?
The "Large" in Large Hadron Collider refers to the fact that the accelerator itself is very very big.

The LHC also accelerates lead ions, which are indeed large hadrons, but that is not the "large" that the name refers to. (Also, in the parlance of physics, no-one calls ions "large", but "heavy", in general. The class of accelerators that accelerate heavy ions are "heavy ion accelerators").
 
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fresh_42 said:
Yes. Large hadrons, i.e. heavy ions are smashed in other facilities: Dubna, Darmstadt or Berkeley.
Which is a by no-means exhaustive list of heavy ion accelerators, also.
 
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e.bar.goum said:
Which is a by no-means exhaustive list of heavy ion accelerators, also.
No. Just the famous ones that created new elements.
 
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fresh_42 said:
No. Just the famous ones that created new elements.
RIKEN (Japan) would beg to differ! They have the naming rights to Z=113. They're also at the forefront of new isotope discovery, outstripping pretty much everyone in the world at the moment.
 
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Beanyboy said:
So, to clarify then: the collider is large, not the hadrons?
Yes - in fact, the biggest ever built... 27 kilometers around, which would qualify as "large" even if weren't the biggest... Not many human-built structures are larger.
 
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Beanyboy said:
So, to clarify then: the collider is large, not the hadrons?
@Beanyboy, here are two short videos about the LHC:

Step inside the Large Hadron Collider (360 video) - BBC News
(a "360 video", drag with the left mouse button clicked inside the video to move the view around)


LHC: The Large Hadron Collider (Fermilab)
 
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Really enjoyed watching those! Thanks ever so much.
 
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