Is the linear transformation matrix T invertible

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The discussion revolves around the linear transformation T defined from M22 to M22 by T(A) = AB, where B is a specific 2x2 matrix. Participants are exploring whether this transformation is invertible with respect to the standard bases.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are attempting to determine the transformation matrix T and its properties, including its invertibility. There is discussion about the linear independence of the transformed basis vectors and the conditions under which T may be invertible, such as the kernel of T and the determinant of the resulting matrix.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance regarding the properties of the transformation and the nature of its inverse. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to define or calculate the inverse of T, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the standard basis and the linear independence of the matrices involved. There is mention of the determinant being zero under certain conditions, which affects the invertibility of T.

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Homework Statement



T: M22 --> M22 defined by T(A) = AB where B =
[ 3 2 ]
[ 2 1 ]

Is the linear transformation matrix T invertible with respect to the standard bases? If so, find it.

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The Attempt at a Solution



This is going to sound stupid, but I need help in finding what the transformation matrix T actually is before I can say if it is invertible or not. So far I got:

T(A) = AB =
[a b ] [ 3 2 ]
[c d ] [ 2 1 ]

=
[ 3a+2b 2a+b ]
[ 3c+2d 2c+d ]

and I found T(e11) =
[3 2 ]
[0 0 ]

T(e12) =
[ 2 1 ]
[ 0 0 ]

T(e21) =
[ 0 0 ]
[ 3 2 ]

T(e22) =
[ 0 0 ]
[ 2 1 ]

and now I'm stuck. Thinking ahead a little, I know that if the kernal of T = 0, it will be invertible, or if the determinant of the matrix is not 0, it is invertible.

P.S. is there an easier way to write matrices here?
 
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What is the inverse of T? Hint: T^-1 will look a lot like T, but with something replaced by its inverse.
 
war485 said:

Homework Statement



T: M22 --> M22 defined by T(A) = AB where B =
[ 3 2 ]
[ 2 1 ]

Is the linear transformation matrix T invertible with respect to the standard bases? If so, find it.

Homework Equations



none

The Attempt at a Solution



This is going to sound stupid, but I need help in finding what the transformation matrix T actually is before I can say if it is invertible or not.
No, it doesn't sound stupid to me. This transformation takes a 2x2 matrix A as input, and produces another 2x2 matrix AB as its output, where B is as you showed.
war485 said:
So far I got:

T(A) = AB =
[a b ] [ 3 2 ]
[c d ] [ 2 1 ]

=
[ 3a+2b 2a+b ]
[ 3c+2d 2c+d ]

and I found T(e11) =
[3 2 ]
[0 0 ]

T(e12) =
[ 2 1 ]
[ 0 0 ]

T(e21) =
[ 0 0 ]
[ 3 2 ]

T(e22) =
[ 0 0 ]
[ 2 1 ]

and now I'm stuck.
I think what is meant by asking if T is invertible with respect to the standard basis is this: Your basis vectors (the matrices eij) are linearly independent. Are the new vectors (the matrices T(eij)) also linearly independent?
war485 said:
Thinking ahead a little, I know that if the kernal of T = 0, it will be invertible, or if the determinant of the matrix is not 0, it is invertible.
The determinant of AB is zero some of the time, and this is completely determined by the matrix A. This means that whether T is invertible depends completely on the matrix A that is used. Calculate the determinant of AB to see this.


war485 said:
P.S. is there an easier way to write matrices here?

There's a nicer way using tex script, but I wouldn't call it easier.
 
Mark44 said:
I think what is meant by asking if T is invertible with respect to the standard basis is this: Your basis vectors (the matrices eij) are linearly independent. Are the new vectors (the matrices T(eij)) also linearly independent?

Yes they're also linearly independent.

Is the inverse =
[ -1 2 ] [ a b ]
[ 2 -3 ] [ c d ]

=
[ 2c-a 2d-b ]
[ 2a-3c 2b-3d ]
?
 
It's easy enough to check. Multiply what you got by AB, and it should come out to I.

I think I remember a theorem that says, if A and B are invertible, then (AB)^(-1) = B^(-1)A^(-1). The matrix you show on the left in your product looks like it might be B^(-1), but the one on the right definitely isn't A^(-1).
 
It's starting to look really aweful. Is there another way to find the inverse?
 
You don't actually need to find the matrix corresponding to T. You just have to define it's inverse. It looks like you've already found the inverse of B. Think about S(X)=XB^(-1). Could S be T^(-1)?
 
what's that X in S(X)=XB^(-1) ?
 
X is any matrix, just like the 'A' in T(A)=AB. I could have written S(A)=AB^(-1) as well, they both mean the same thing.
 
  • #10
This is what I got after what you said:
[ a b ] [ -1 2 ]
[ c d ] [ 2 -3 ]
=
-a+2b 2a-3b
-c+2d 2c-3d
You hinted towards this may be being the inverse and I multiplied it out by

[ 3a+2b 2a+b ]
[ 3c+2d 2c+d ]

And it doesn't look like the inverse in the end.
 
  • #11
S is the inverse of T if S(T(A))=A=T(S(A)). S(T(A))=S(AB)=ABB^(-1)=A. You seem to be multiplying T(A)*S(A) and trying to get A or something. That's not what the inverse means.
 

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