Is the normal of c(t) always directed toward the z-axis?

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The discussion revolves around the curve defined by c(t) = (cos(At), sin(At), 1) and the properties of its normal vector, specifically whether it is always directed toward the z-axis. Participants explore the implications of the normal vector's components and their relationship to the z-axis.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants examine the normal vector N(t) = (-cos(At), -sin(At), 0) and question its direction relative to the z-axis. They discuss the significance of the negative signs in the components and the implications of the z-coordinate being zero.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the normal vector's behavior in relation to the z-axis, with some participants suggesting that visualizing the normal in the xy-plane could aid understanding. Multiple interpretations of the normal's direction are being considered, and guidance on sketching the situation has been provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the values of cos(At) and sin(At) can vary, raising questions about the consistency of the normal's direction toward the z-axis under different conditions.

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Homework Statement



Let [itex]c(t) = ( cos(At), sin(At), 1)[/itex] be a curve. (A is a constant)

Show that the normal to [itex]c(t)[/itex] is always directed toward the z-axis.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am not sure how to show this. (For example, is the question "asking" us to show the cross product of something is 0 ?) If you tell me how to start the problem, I should have no problem.

I have found the normal, which is [itex]N(t) = ( -cos(At), -sin(At), 0)[/itex].

Thanks.
 
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So you have N=<-cos(At),-sin(At),0> and this is in the form <x,y,z>.

What is z equal to? What are the consequences of the negative sign in terms of direction?
 
rock.freak667 said:
So you have N=<-cos(At),-sin(At),0> and this is in the form <x,y,z>.

What is z equal to? What are the consequences of the negative sign in terms of direction?

[itex]z = 1[/itex] ? I mean [itex]z[/itex] is always equal to 1, unless you ask what [itex]z[/itex] is for the normal, which is 0. I'm not sure about your second question, could you explain more? Thanks.
 
madachi said:
[itex]z = 1[/itex] ? I mean [itex]z[/itex] is always equal to 1, unless you ask what [itex]z[/itex] is for the normal, which is 0. I'm not sure about your second question, could you explain more? Thanks.

I meant for the normal. If z=0, then you're normal is essentially in the xy-plane right?

As for my other question if you have positive values of x and y, in relation to the z-axis, where would you plot those numbers? (Away or toward the axis when you keep increasing positively?)
 
rock.freak667 said:
I meant for the normal. If z=0, then you're normal is essentially in the xy-plane right?

As for my other question if you have positive values of x and y, in relation to the z-axis, where would you plot those numbers? (Away or toward the axis when you keep increasing positively?)

Away the z axis?
 
madachi said:
Away the z axis?

Right, so if you have <x,y,0> it points away from the z-axis. Where would <-x,-y,0> point?
 
rock.freak667 said:
Right, so if you have <x,y,0> it points away from the z-axis. Where would <-x,-y,0> point?

Directed toward the axis. I have a question though, cos(At) and sin(At) aren't always positive, so does this still work?

Thanks.
 
madachi said:
Directed toward the axis. I have a question though, cos(At) and sin(At) aren't always positive, so does this still work?

Thanks.

I believe if you draw it out, you will see that when cosine is +ve, sine is -ve so one part of the normal will point towards the z-axis and when sine is +ve and cosine is -ve, the other part of the normal points towards the z-axis. In essence it will always point towards the z-axis.
 
rock.freak667 said:
I believe if you draw it out, you will see that when cosine is +ve, sine is -ve so one part of the normal will point towards the z-axis and when sine is +ve and cosine is -ve, the other part of the normal points towards the z-axis. In essence it will always point towards the z-axis.

Thanks. How should we justify the answer though? I am not sure "what to say" to answer the question. Thanks.
 
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madachi said:
Thanks. How should we justify the answer though? I am not sure "what to say" to answer the question. Thanks.

Your normal is <-cos(At),-sin(At),0> or x= - cos(At), y= -sin(At), if you sketch this in the xy-plane you will get a circle. Each diameter will be a normal. As long as each one passes through the origin (where the z-axis would be perpendicular to the point (0,0)) that would illustrate it.

The illustration would work I guess.
 

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