Is the Selection for the World Cup Fair?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the fairness of the selection process for the World Cup, with participants sharing their experiences and opinions on soccer, Australian Football League (AFL), and the historical context of the games. The conversation includes elements of celebration, rivalry, and differing perspectives on the sports.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express excitement about Australia qualifying for the World Cup, sharing personal experiences from the celebration.
  • There is a debate over the terminology used for soccer, with some insisting on "Football" while others acknowledge multiple names across different languages.
  • Participants discuss the historical origins of soccer and American football, noting their development and rule codification in the 19th century.
  • One participant argues that the selection for the World Cup is unfair, suggesting that only teams from South America and Europe would qualify if it were based solely on the best teams.
  • Several comments include humor and rivalry, particularly regarding Australian football and its rules, with some joking about the nature of the sport.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement, particularly regarding the fairness of World Cup selection and the terminology used for soccer. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Some statements reflect personal opinions and experiences rather than established facts, and there are unresolved points regarding the fairness of the World Cup selection process and the definitions of various football codes.

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Australia is Going to Germany!

Hey all you Aussies.
We're going to Germany! We're in the world cup! Did anyone else go to the game? I was at fed square in Melbourne. We had all of Flinders street blocked off while we were celebrating! yay! not since 1974! That's the first soccer game I've ever watched, and I can tell ya, AFL has got nothing on soccer.
 
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Cool ! - :cool:

I wouldn't go as far as saying AFL has nothing on soccer, except that more people play soccer (futbol, or Fußball, as the case may be) than AFL.
 
The proper term is Football. That is the English spelling of the game. Football is football, American football is american football and aussie rules is just a barbaric version of Football and Rugby.

Congratulations on getting to the finals.
 
I don't watch sports, particularly that one and basketball, but congrats anyhow. By the way... isn't the only rule in Aussie football that no fully-automatic weapons are allowed on the field?
 
Congratz , i d prefer Uruguay to go thru but u guys played well over the two legs, u guys deserver it.
 
Danger said:
I don't watch sports, particularly that one and basketball, but congrats anyhow. By the way... isn't the only rule in Aussie football that no fully-automatic weapons are allowed on the field?

Yeah, but that's more of a guidline than a rule.
 
Great news!

Another chance to humiliate the Aussies! :wink:

Hope we get drawn in the same group. :biggrin:
 
Kazza_765 said:
Yeah, but that's more of a guidline than a rule.
Ahhh... thanks for the clarification. I thought that I'd seen it broken a couple of times with no noticeable repercussions.
 
Cybersteve said:
Great news!
Another chance to humiliate the Aussies! :wink:
Hope we get drawn in the same group. :biggrin:

Screw you. (Just kidding):smile:
 
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Andy said:
The proper term is Football. That is the English spelling of the game.

Yeah, and the Spanish spelling is futbol and the German spelling is Fußball. There isn't only one correct name for the game.

By the way, according to this entry, soccer and American football were invented in their semi-modern form at essentially the same time and pretty much have equal claim to the name "football."

Arguably soccer was invented in London in 1863 when men sat down to codify the games that they had enjoyed playing at their "public schools". An association called "The Football Association" was formed. The word "soccer" is short for "Association Football", as distinct from "Rugby Football", which was another sport codified by ex public schoolboys in the late 19th century.

Of course, it arguably makes a lot more sense to call a game football when it is actually played primarily with the feet.
 
  • #11
Yeah, and the Spanish spelling is futbol and the German spelling is Fußball. There isn't only one correct name for the game.

Football is not just a game, its a religion.
 
  • #12
Danger said:
I don't watch sports, particularly that one and basketball, but congrats anyhow. By the way... isn't the only rule in Aussie football that no fully-automatic weapons are allowed on the field?
Yeah, but watch out for the landmines, RPG's and large bore artillery. :biggrin:

Keeps the blokes on their toes.
 
  • #13
Astronuc said:
Keeps the blokes on their toes.
While they still have any... :bugeye:
 
  • #14
Kazza_765 said:
Hey all you Aussies.
We're going to Germany! We're in the world cup! Did anyone else go to the game? I was at fed square in Melbourne. We had all of Flinders street blocked off while we were celebrating! yay! not since 1974! That's the first soccer game I've ever watched, and I can tell ya, AFL has got nothing on soccer.
And because of whose coach? :wink: :biggrin:
 
  • #15
Cybersteve said:
Great news!
Another chance to humiliate the Aussies! :wink:
Hope we get drawn in the same group. :biggrin:

just remember who one last time. ;)
 
  • #16
Friendlies don't count, never have, never will - learn to live with it!:wink:
 
  • #17
All hail hiddink, he friggin took korea to the semis the last time . SAy cybersteve, u a city or united fan??
 
  • #18
kaos said:
All hail hiddink, he friggin took korea to the semis the last time . SAy cybersteve, u a city or united fan??

There are other teams in the UK

I'm a Tottenham Hotspur (Spurs) fan, and have been all my life!
 
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loseyourname said:
Yeah, and the Spanish spelling is futbol and the German spelling is Fußball. There isn't only one correct name for the game.
By the way, according to this entry, soccer and American football were invented in their semi-modern form at essentially the same time and pretty much have equal claim to the name "football."
Of course, it arguably makes a lot more sense to call a game football when it is actually played primarily with the feet.

All games in the football family, e.g. Assoication Football, American Football, Austrailian Rules Football, Gaelic football, Rugby Union and Rugby League trace there oriigns back to games played in English public schools in the 19th century where each public school developed it's own set of rules.

The modern game of (association) football dates from 1863 when the Cambridge rules were adopted by the newly-formed FA, since then the rules have been fixed with only relatively minor changes. The first national competetion took place in 1872 (the FA Cup which is still competed today) and the professional league was established in 1888 and all but one of the teams in the first league still play in the English professional leagues today.

In contrast american football first began to establish it's rules in 1873, but unlike association football which in 1863 ceased to be influenced by other codes, american football at this time was still heavily influenced by other codes and it took several decades for the modern game to emerge. The first true countrepart to Engalnd's FA was formed in 1905.
 
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jcsd said:
The modern game of (association) football dates from 1863 when the Cambridge rules were adopted by the newly-formed FA, since then the rules have been fixed with only relatively minor changes. The first national competetion took place in 1872 (the FA Cup which is still competed today) and the professional league was established in 1888 and all but one of the teams in the first league still play in the English professional leagues today.
In contrast american football first began to establish it's rules in 1873, but unlike association football which in 1863 ceased to be influenced by other codes, american football at this time was still heavily influenced by other codes and it took several decades for the modern game to emerge. The first true countrepart to Engalnd's FA was formed in 1905.

And down here in Australia, we're still waiting to implement any rules.
 
  • #21
Hey all you Aussies.
We're going to Germany! We're in the world cup! Did anyone else go to the game? I was at fed square in Melbourne. We had all of Flinders street blocked off while we were celebrating! yay! not since 1974! That's the first soccer game I've ever watched, and I can tell ya, AFL has got nothing on soccer.

Well done, but to be honest the selection for the world cup is not fair. If it was the best teams in the world playing it out, I doubt anyone outside South America and Europe would get in...

Anyway best of luck :-)
 

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