Is the Sum of Two Cauchy Sequences Also Cauchy?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of Cauchy sequences, specifically whether the sum of two Cauchy sequences is also a Cauchy sequence. Participants are tasked with providing a direct argument without relying on established criteria or theorems.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition of Cauchy sequences and attempt to establish the Cauchy property for the sum of two sequences. There are discussions about the validity of certain assumptions and the application of the triangle inequality.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided partial arguments and are questioning the correctness of their reasoning. There is acknowledgment that the approach needs refinement, particularly regarding the behavior of the sequences as they grow large. Guidance has been offered on focusing on the properties of the sequences involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants are reminded that the sequences are Cauchy and that the proof must avoid using certain established theorems. There is an emphasis on the need for careful wording and consideration of the definitions involved.

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Homework Statement


Assume [itex]x_n[/itex] and [itex]y_n[/itex] are Cauchy sequences.
Give a direct argument that [itex]x_n+y_n[/itex] is Cauchy.
That does not use the Cauchy criterion or the algebraic limit theorem.
A sequence is Cauchy if for every [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex] there exists an
[itex]N\in \mathbb{N}[/itex] such that whenever [itex]m,n\geq N[/itex]
it follows that [itex]|a_n-a_m|< \epsilon[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Lets call [itex]x_n+y_n=c_n[/itex]
now we want to show that [itex]|c_m-c_n|< \epsilon[/itex]
Let's assume for the sake of contradiction that
[itex]c_m-c_n> \epsilon[/itex]
so we would have
[itex]|x_m+y_m-x_n-y_n|> \epsilon[/itex]
[itex]x_m> \epsilon+y_n-y_m[/itex]
since [itex]y_n>y_m[/itex]
and we know that [itex]x_m< \epsilon[/itex]
so this is a contradiction and the original statement must be true.
 
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cragar said:

Homework Statement


Assume [itex]x_n[/itex] and [itex]y_n[/itex] are Cauchy sequences.
Give a direct argument that [itex]x_n+y_n[/itex] is Cauchy.
That does not use the Cauchy criterion or the algebraic limit theorem.
A sequence is Cauchy if for every [itex]\epsilon>0[/itex] there exists an
[itex]N\in \mathbb{N}[/itex] such that whenever [itex]m,n\geq N[/itex]
it follows that [itex]|a_n-a_m|< \epsilon[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


Lets call [itex]x_n+y_n=c_n[/itex]
now we want to show that [itex]|c_m-c_n|< \epsilon[/itex]

It's always good to be careful with wording. We want to show that if n and m are big enough, that this inequality holds.

since [itex]y_n>y_m[/itex]
This is probably not true, especially since you haven't even said what n and m are besides arbitrary numbers!

and we know that [itex]x_m< \epsilon[/itex]

This is also probably not true since there's no reason to think the limit is zero

To get the contradiction you're going to want to use the triangle inequality on |(xn-xm)+(yn-ym)|
 
ok thanks for your response.
So I take [itex]|(x_n-x_m)+(y_n-y_m)| \leq |x_n-x_m|+|y_n-y_m|[/itex]
let's assume that [itex]|x_n-x_m|+|y_n-y_m| > \epsilon[/itex]
I am going to rewrite it as [itex]A+B> \epsilon[/itex]
so now we have [itex]A> \epsilon -B[/itex]
Can I just say this since we know that [itex]A< \epsilon[/itex] and [itex]B< \epsilon[/itex] since [itex]\epsilon[/itex] can be any number bigger than zero, then both of these values should be less than [itex]\frac{\epsilon}{2}[/itex]
therefore [itex]A+B< \epsilon[/itex]
I have a feeling my last step is not ok
 
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cragar said:
Can I just say this since we know that [itex]A< \epsilon[/itex] and [itex]B< \epsilon[/itex] since [itex]\epsilon[/itex] can be any number bigger than zero, then both of these values should be less than [itex]\frac{\epsilon}{2}[/itex]
therefore [itex]A+B< \epsilon[/itex]

This is the crux of the argument. It's not the whole proof of course - A and B aren't always that small. Feel free to post a full proof if you want it checked over for errors
 
Ok , Am I thinking about this in the right way.
 
Well, I can't read your mind but the part I quoted is the basis of the a correct argument for the proof. You just have to add the fact that these are sequences - A and B aren't always that small, but as long as n and m are big enough they are (by definition of the x's and the y's forming Cauchy sequences)
 

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