Is the system linear or nonlinear

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The discussion revolves around determining whether the system described by the equation 3y(t) + 2 = x(t) is linear or nonlinear. Participants are examining the definitions and properties associated with linearity in the context of this equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants express certainty about the system being nonlinear but struggle to articulate the reasoning behind it, particularly regarding the term 2(k1+k2). Others question the definition of linearity and its implications in different contexts, such as linear transformations versus linear equations. There is also a suggestion to verify linearity by checking specific properties of the relationship.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of linearity and its application to the given equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding checking properties of linearity, but no consensus has been reached on the classification of the system.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a solution manual labeling the system as nonlinear, which adds to the ambiguity in the discussion. Participants are also considering the implications of the equation being part of a dynamical system versus a standard linear equation.

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Homework Statement


3y(t)+2=x(t)

Homework Equations



k1y1(t) + k2y2(t) + 2(k1+k2) = k1x1(t)+k2x2(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the system is non linear but I cannot explain why. It has something to do with 2(k1+k2) but I am unsure.
 
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physicsgirl199 said:

Homework Statement


3y(t)+2=x(t)

Homework Equations



k1y1(t) + k2y2(t) + 2(k1+k2) = k1x1(t)+k2x2(t)

The Attempt at a Solution



I know the system is non linear but I cannot explain why. It has something to do with 2(k1+k2) but I am unsure.
Why do you say you know it's non-linear?
 
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How are you defining the term "linear"? In some contexts, this term implies that the graph of the relationship is a straight line. In the context of linear transformations, the conditions for linearity are that ##L(x_1 + x_2) = L(x_1) + L(x_2)## and that ##L(cx) = cL(x)##.

physicsgirl199 said:
k1y1(t) + k2y2(t) + 2(k1+k2) = k1x1(t)+k2x2(t)
You put this equation in the Relevant equations section. How is it relevant to this problem?
 
it is both the properties you have described but I have combined them into one equation.

also it was marked as nonlinear in the solution manual
 
You could write the given equation as ##y(t) = \frac 1 3 x(t) - \frac 2 3##
Now check the two properties separately.
1) Is ##y(t_1 + t_2) = y(t_1) + y(t_2)##?
2) Is ##y(k \cdot t_1) = k \cdot y(t_1)##?

If both of the above are true for all values of t, the relationship is linear; otherwise, it's nonlinear.
 
physicsgirl199 said:
it is both the properties you have described but I have combined them into one equation.

also it was marked as nonlinear in the solution manual

I think it is a bit ambiguous.

If your equation ##3y(t)+2 = x(t)## describes a "dynamical system", then it is not linear because if ##(x_1(t),y_(t))## and ##(x_2(t),y_2(t))## are two solutions, the pair ##(x_1(t)+x_2(t),y_1(t)+y_2(t))## is not a solution, nor is ##(cx_1(t),cy_2(t))## for a constant ##c \neq 1##.

On the other hand the equation ##x - 3y = 2## is what would normally be called "linear equation"---meaning that the left-hand-side in ##f(x,y) = c## is a linear function of ##x,y##. Perhaps that is a bit of abuse of language, but it is nevertheless standard usage in describing equations. We do something similar when we call a differential equation such as ##dy/dx + 2 y = x^2## a (non-homogeneous) linear differential equation!
 

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