Is the Total Charge in the Universe Really Zero?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the hypothetical scenario of whether the total charge in the universe could be altered, specifically if all negative charges became positive and vice versa. Participants explore the implications of such a change on physical measurements and interactions, including magnetic fields and particle behavior, within the realms of theoretical physics and symmetry principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if all charges were reversed, there would be no observable difference in measurements, as the fundamental interactions would remain unchanged.
  • Others argue that certain phenomena, such as beta decay, could reveal differences due to charge conjugation and the behavior of weak interactions.
  • A participant mentions that the definitions of positive and negative charges are arbitrary and could be switched without affecting physical laws.
  • There is speculation about the implications of changing other fundamental constants or forces in conjunction with charge reversal.
  • Some participants discuss the invariance of Maxwell's equations under charge conjugation, suggesting that electromagnetic interactions would not change.
  • Concerns are raised about the potential for confusion between charge reversal and other symmetries, such as parity inversion.
  • One participant notes that if all particles were switched with their antiparticles and time were reversed, the resulting universe would be indistinguishable from our own.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there would be no observable difference in many scenarios if charges were reversed, but there is contention regarding specific interactions, particularly in the context of weak interactions and charge conjugation. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the implications of such a hypothetical scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various physical principles, including charge conjugation, CP symmetry, and the behavior of magnetic fields, but the discussion does not resolve the complexities or assumptions underlying these concepts.

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Quatl said:
I remember reading that the total charge in the universe is zero. However I can't remember where, or how they justified the statement.

everything measured has a tolerance of error, so "zero" might mean ridiculously small.

what this means is that the attractive gravitational force (or pseudo-force but let's view gravitation in a Newtonian manner, for simplicity) between two protons alone in free space is something like 10-39 times the repulsive electrostatic force.

it's because of, in the scale of things that we notice, that the force of gravity is ostensibly far, far weaker than the electrostatic force. during the creation of stars, solar systems, and planets, if these globs of matter that were swirling around and trying to stick to each other (due to gravity) were all ever-so-slightly charged, they would repel instead of subtract. so all of these globs of matter better be electrically neutral, at least missing (or having an excess of) no more than one electron per, i dunno, something like 1039 atoms, otherwize the weak gravity would have not been able to pull that matter together to form planets and stars.

Total charge is a "conserved quantity" in physics though, so the universe should have the same charge as it started with.

i thought that maybe the theory is that as matter was created out of the super high energy stuff that came out of the Big Bang, that perhaps all of the protons or positrons were each created with a corresponding electron in the process. but i don't know that, either.
 

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