Is There a Connection Between Young's Modulus and Crystal Structure?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between Young's modulus (YM) and crystal structure/microstructure in various materials, including metals, alloys, polymers, and ceramics. Participants explore how these factors may influence the modulus of elasticity, considering both theoretical and practical implications.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that Young's modulus is fundamentally derived from chemical bonding, suggesting that microstructural features generally do not affect it significantly.
  • Others argue that while there is no standard relationship between YM and crystal structure/microstructure, certain alloys may exhibit minor dependencies due to microstructural processes.
  • A participant notes that the elastic modulus is an inherent property, but microstructural factors, such as grain size, could influence yield strength rather than Young's modulus directly.
  • Another viewpoint is presented that grain size has little to no influence on Young's modulus, which is characterized by the resistance of atomic bonds to stretching.
  • One participant highlights a specific relationship between elasticity and crystallinity in elastomers, where the alignment of polymer chains under stress affects their elastic properties.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of microstructure on Young's modulus, with no consensus reached. Some maintain that it is largely independent of microstructural features, while others suggest there may be exceptions in specific materials.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of a standardized relationship between Young's modulus and crystal structure/microstructure, as well as the variability in reported values and dependencies across different materials.

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Hello guys,

does anyone know if there is a specific relationship between the modulus of elasticity and crystal structure/microstructure? I know that YM is basically derived from the chemical bonding, but how about the other two? As much as I know it should be not affected by the microstructural features in general, and it has different values in different measurements depending on direction on a crystal. Anything more specific than that?
 
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Here is a discussion regarding elastic properties/constants of metals and alloys.
http://www.nist.gov/data/PDFfiles/jpcrd34.pdf

For other materials, like polymers, ceramics, glasses, . . . ., there will be different dependencies.

For metals/alloys, it largely depends on the elements (atomic bond strength) involved, crystal lattice, dislocation density, grain size (in polycrystalline materials). One will find considerable variability in reported values and dependencies for E and G, for example.

Many introductory textbooks on materials science and engineering should have some discussion on the subject.
 
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Actually there is no standard relationship between YM and crystal structure/microstructure anywhere. There are occasions of alloys where it is affected by some microstructural processes but in a very small degree, so there is no general conncetion whatsoever. It is almost entirely dependent on the chemical bonding.
The same thing does not apply for other properties though, like yield strength which can be affected in a high level by both crystal structure and microstructure.
 
Youngs Modulus could be said to be pretty much inherent property, but microstructures should also effect the Young's modulus just as in case of fine and coarse grain size. The finer ones will resist movement of dislocations more then the coarse microstructures and hence will have a higher yield strength.
 
Haseeb Shahdin said:
microstructures should also effect the Young's modulus just as in case of fine and coarse grain size

The grain size has essentially no influence on a material's Young's modulus, which describes the resistance to small amounts of stretching of the atomic bonds. Young's modulus is not yield strength. http://www.civilengineeringhandbook.tk/structural-steel/images/7742_27_6.png an example of how the stress-strain diagram changes with cold working, for example. The grain size decreases and the dislocation density increases, but the slope of the elastic region (i.e., the Young's modulus) remains unchanged.

(Also note that this thread is almost a year old.)
 
RichieTU said:
Actually there is no standard relationship between YM and crystal structure/microstructure anywhere. There are occasions of alloys where it is affected by some microstructural processes but in a very small degree, so there is no general conncetion whatsoever. It is almost entirely dependent on the chemical bonding.
The same thing does not apply for other properties though, like yield strength which can be affected in a high level by both crystal structure and microstructure.

Actually, there is a relationship between elasticity and crystallinity in elastomers. Elastomers exist in an amorphous state with the polymer chains randomly coiled. If the material is subject to a stress by elongation, the polymer chains line up to form crystalline domains. These crystalline domains form spherulites which is exothermic. When the polymers chains relax, they resume their random coil configuration (endothermic). So there is a relationship between crystallinity and elasticity, but it is limited to the behavior of the elastic material.
 

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