Is There A Relationship Between Young's Modulus And Spring Constant?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential relationship between Young's modulus and the spring constant, exploring whether a formula exists that connects these two quantities. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to linear elasticity and Hooke's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define Young's modulus (Y) as the ratio of stress to strain and express interest in its relationship with the spring constant (k).
  • One participant suggests that Young's modulus and spring constant are closely related, referencing a website for further illustration.
  • Another participant proposes a formula k = cA/L, indicating that k is proportional to the cross-sectional area (A) and inversely proportional to the length (L), with c being a constant that could relate to Young's modulus for rod-like materials.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the proposed formula k = Y*A/L holds true only up to the proportional limit of the material, as indicated by Hooke's law.
  • It is noted that Young's modulus applies to one-dimensional stress, while the relationship may not be as straightforward in multi-dimensional loading scenarios.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying degrees of agreement on the proposed relationship between Young's modulus and spring constant, with some supporting the formula k = Y*A/L while others emphasize the need to consider material shape and loading conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the general applicability of the relationship.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the applicability of the relationship, particularly concerning the dimensionality of stress and the conditions under which Hooke's law is valid.

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We know that the Young's modulus of an object is defined as the ratio between its stress and strain:

Y = σ/ε

, or:

Y = F*L/A*ΔL

We also know that Hooke's law, which can be applied to any linear elastic object, can find spring constant:

F = k*x

, rearranged:

k = F/x

But is there a relationship between the Young's modulus and the spring constant of an object? Is there a formula that shows this relationship?

Thank you.
 
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Sure, we can make a closer comparision
Y = F*L/A*ΔL

Considering the ideal springs, when you put two in parallel the strength would double, whereas series would half. This means that k is proportional to A/L. Put it like k=cA/L where c is another constant, then F=c*A*ΔL/L, rearrange into c=F*L/A*ΔL which is analogous to the previous one.

However Young's modulus is applied to string or rod like material, which means the c would equal to the Young's modulus when k is for a string or rod. Otherwise, you need to consider the shape of the spring.
 
Just to clarify, from reading vanhees71's weblink and your post, the relationship between the Young's modulus and the spring constant of a string or rod-like object is:

k = Y*A/L ?

Also, would this formula only hold true up to the proportional limit of an object (since Hooke's law also states this limit)?
 
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k = Y*A/L

Yes that's good.

Youngs modulus is simply for stress (loading) in a single dimension, such as stretching a string or compressing a column. So a single dimension (length) is involved.

Vanhees reference refers to a more general elastic system that might have loading in two or three dimensions and so area or volume might be involved. In this case the response is still proportional to the load, by spring constant but this does not relate so simply to youngs modulus.

This is what zealscience also meant by considering the shape.
 
Excellent! Thank you.
 
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