Is There a General Formula for Finding the Nth Power of a 2x2 Matrix?

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The discussion revolves around finding a general formula for the Nth power of a 2x2 real matrix, particularly focusing on the challenges of determining eigenvalues and eigenvectors. The context includes linear algebra concepts such as diagonalization and the properties of matrices in the special linear group SL(2,R).

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding eigenvectors for a general 2x2 matrix and questions the existence of a general formula for Nth powers.
  • Another participant suggests that the ratio y/x can be used to find eigenvectors, indicating a potential simplification in the process.
  • A participant acknowledges the assistance received and mentions finding a formula for An, but expresses uncertainty about its implications.
  • One participant notes that not every 2x2 matrix is diagonalizable, which may affect the ability to find a general formula.
  • A participant challenges the assertion that the only solution is (x,y) = (0,0), implying that there are other solutions to the equation pq=0.

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Participants express differing views on the diagonalizability of 2x2 matrices and the existence of eigenvectors, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding these aspects.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the matrix properties, particularly concerning diagonalizability and the conditions under which eigenvectors can be determined.

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I am trying to find the Nth power of a general 2x2 real matrix. This seemed simple at first, but I am running into trouble of finding general eigenvectors and cannot figure out where to go.

A = \begin{pmatrix} a & b \\ c & d \end{pmatrix} \mbox{ with } a,b,c,d \in \mathbb{R}

For my purposes, it is an element of SL(2,R), therefore det(A) = ad - bc = 1. I am trying to find An using An = PDnP-1. To find the eigenvalues:

\det(A - \lambda{I_2}) = \left| \begin{array}{cc} a - \lambda & b \\ c & d - \lambda \end{array} \right| = (a-\lambda)(d-\lambda) - bc = \lambda^2 - (a + d)\lambda + ad - bc = \lambda^2 - (a + d)\lambda + 1 = 0

\lambda_{1,2} = \frac{a+d \pm \sqrt{(a+d)^2 - 4}}{2}

To find eigenvectors:

\left( \begin{array}{cc} a & b \\ c & d \end{array} \right) \left( \begin{array}{c} x \\ y \end{array} \right) = \lambda \left( \begin{array}{c} x \\ y \end{array} \right)

ax + by = \lambda x
cx + dy = \lambda y

Solving the first for y and inserting y into the second equation:

y = \frac{x(\lambda - a)}{b}

cx + \frac{dx(\lambda - a)}{b} = \frac{\lambda x(\lambda - a)}{b}

The only solution I can see for this is (x,y) = (0,0), whether I use for first or second eigenvalue, which doesn't make sense to me. I would think that there would have to be some way to find a general formula since it is easy to use this method to find numerical examples of diagonalization and such. Or maybe I am missing something. My knowledge of linear algebra isn't very strong.
 
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pbandjay said:
To find eigenvectors …

Hi pbandjay! :smile:

(nice LaTeX, btw :wink:)

For the eigenvectors, all you need is the ratio y/x,

so just go back to your y = x(λ - a)/b (or y = xc/(λ - d), which is the same thing). :smile:
 
Ah, of course. That helps a lot, thank you!

I finally found the formula for An, but I'm afraid it isn't telling me what I expected. I may have think of some other ways to solve my question. But thank you!
 
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Not every 2 x 2 matrix is diagonalizable.
 
pbandjay said:
The only solution I can see for this is (x,y) = (0,0)
q=0 is not the only solution to pq=0...
 

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