Is there a medium in which sound travels faster than light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of a medium in which the speed of sound could exceed the speed of light. Participants explore the relationship between density and the speeds of sound and light, considering various materials and hypothetical scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the speed of sound increases with density, while the speed of light decreases, questioning if a sufficiently dense medium could allow sound to surpass light.
  • Others argue that increasing density actually slows down sound, suggesting that a medium with low density and high stiffness might be necessary for sound to approach the speed of light.
  • One participant mentions the speed of sound in various materials, indicating that achieving a density that allows sound to exceed light speed would be challenging.
  • There are mentions of Planck particles as a hypothetical material, but some participants express skepticism about discussing non-real materials.
  • Concerns are raised about the fundamental nature of sound and light propagation, with some asserting that no material can have a speed of sound that exceeds the speed of light due to the mechanics of molecular motion.
  • Discussions include the effects of different media on the speed of light, with references to Bose-Einstein condensates and the refractive index of materials.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the definitions of group and phase velocities in relation to light propagation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether a medium can exist where sound travels faster than light. Multiple competing views are presented, with some arguing against the possibility while others explore hypothetical scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of sound and light propagation, as well as unresolved assumptions regarding the properties of hypothetical materials. The discussion also touches on the complexities of wave propagation in different media.

  • #31
cosmik debris said:
Yes, isn't one of the dominant energy conditions that the speed of sound be less than the speed of light?
The speed of sound needs to be less than the invariant speed, c, which is the speed of light in vacuum, not in a material.
 

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