Is there a non-regular hexagon

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The discussion revolves around the properties of hexagons, specifically whether a hexagon with equal side lengths must also have equal angles. Participants explore the relationships between equilateral and equiangular polygons, providing examples and counterexamples while questioning the validity of certain claims.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that if a hexagon has all sides equal, then the angles must also be equal, prompting others to challenge this assertion.
  • Another participant provides examples of equiangular and equilateral polygons, noting that a hexagon can be equiangular without being equilateral and vice versa.
  • It is suggested that the original claim might be more applicable to heptagons rather than hexagons, inviting further exploration.
  • A participant describes the concept of "warping" in polygons with more than three sides, indicating that they can maintain equal side lengths while having different angles.
  • Examples of non-equilateral equiangular polygons (octagons, decagons) are requested and provided, illustrating the complexity of the topic.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the conditions under which the relationships between equilateral and equiangular properties hold, particularly distinguishing between convex and concave polygons.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier statement regarding the relationship between equilateral and equiangular properties, indicating a need for careful consideration of definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the original claim regarding hexagons. Multiple competing views are presented, with some participants supporting the idea that equal sides do not necessitate equal angles, while others initially assert the opposite.

Contextual Notes

Some statements made in the discussion are dependent on the definitions of equilateral and equiangular, and the distinction between convex and concave polygons is noted as relevant to the claims being discussed.

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How can I prove that If there the only hexagon that his sides equal one to each other then it angles can't be different one from each other?
 
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I don't think that's true.
 
Indeed it is not true. For example, the hexagon on the left below is equiangular but not equilateral while the one on the right is equilateral but not equiangular.

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In general, for any integer $n\geqslant3$, if $n$ is odd, then any $n$-gon is equilateral if and only if it is equilateral, but if $n$ is even, there will be $n$-gons that are equilateral but not equiangular and ones that are equiangular but not equilateral. For instance, in the case of quadrilaterals, a rectangle is equiangular but not equilateral, while a rhombus is equilateral but not equiangular.

I suspect you want to prove your result for a heptagon ($n=7$) rather than hexagon. Can you do that? Hint:
If $n$ is even, then it is possible to have an $n$-gon with all opposite sides parallel. This is why such a polygon can be equiangular but not equilateral (you simply make one pair of opposite sides longer than the others). Also it is possible to have a polygon with all vertices forming diagonally opposite pairs. This explains how such a polygon can be equilateral but not equiangular (you can alter its interior angles making sure that diagonally opposite ones are equal).

Can you see why neither of the above scenarios is possible for a polygon with an odd number of sides?
 
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Olinguito said:
Indeed it is not true. For example, the hexagon on the left below is equiangular but not equilateral while the one on the right is equilateral but not equiangular.
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First of All - thanks!

Can you post a picture of equiangular polygon (for example, heagox) that is not equilateral?
 
highmath said:
How can I prove that If there the only hexagon that his sides equal one to each other then it angles can't be different one from each other?
You can't because that is not true! Imagine a regular hexagon- all sides the same length and all angle the same, made of sticks "pinned" together- that is, two sticks are held together by a simple pin through holes in the two sticks so that the sticks can rotate around that pin. Now grab two opposite sides and move one left and the other right. The regular hexagon will "warp" into a hexagon still with all sides the same length but non-equal angles.

Only triangles are "rigid". Any figure with more that three sides can be "warped" into figures with the same side length but different angles.
 
highmath said:
Can you post a picture of equiangular polygon (for example, heagox) that is not equilateral?

Equiangular non-equilateral octagon:
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Equiangular non-equilateral decagon:
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And an equilateral non-equiangular (and non-convex) dodecagon:
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Olinguito said:
In general, for any integer $n\geqslant3$, if $n$ is odd, then any $n$-gon is equilateral if and only if it is equilateral …

I should point out that this is only true for convex polygons, not concave ones.
 
Olinguito said:
In general, for any integer $n\geqslant3$, if $n$ is odd, then any $n$-gon is equilateral if and only if it is equilateral

As written, that statement is true (but vacuous)! From the rest of the thread, it seems that the second "equilateral" should have been "equiangular". The statement would then say "if $n$ is odd, then any $n$-gon is equilateral if and only if it is equiangular". But that statement is not true (as Country Boy pointed out in comment #5). In fact, a child's drawing of a house shows that you can have an equilateral convex pentagon that is not equiangular.

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Olinguito said:
And an equilateral non-equiangular (and non-convex) dodecagon:
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This is an equilateral equiangular polygon.
It's also a regular polygon and a concave polygon.
See for instance wiki on regular polygon.
 
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Klaas van Aarsen said:
This is an equilateral equiangular polygon.

It’s not. By equiangular I mean that all the interior angles are equal. (Wink)

Anyway, thanks to everyone for pointing out my mistakes. I should have thought more carefully before posting.
 

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