5 charges placed at 5 vertices of a regular hexagon

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the electric field and potential generated by five charges placed at the vertices of a regular hexagon. Participants explore the implications of this configuration on the electric field at the center and the calculation of potential using integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants question the configuration of charges, specifically whether a vertex is left unoccupied. There are discussions about the relationship between electric field and potential, particularly regarding the use of integrals to derive potential from electric field values.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the symmetry of the problem and the implications for calculating electric fields and potentials. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of integrals and the need for clarity in defining endpoints for calculations.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the number of charges and their placement, as well as the assumptions made about the electric field and potential calculations. Participants are navigating these uncertainties without reaching a consensus.

Apashanka
Messages
427
Reaction score
15
Homework Statement
If 5 charges (each q) are placed at 5 vertex of a regular hexagon of side a then effectively the electric field at the centre of the hexagon is $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0} $$
Relevant Equations
If 5 charges (each q) are placed at 5 vertex of a regular hexagon of side a then effectively the electric field at the centre of the hexagon is $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0} $$
If 5 charges (each q) are placed at 5 vertex of a regular hexagon of side a then effectively the electric field at the centre of the hexagon is $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a^2} $$ but the potential is $$\frac{5q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a}$$ but then what about $$V=-\int \textbf{E•dr}$$
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Apashanka said:
If 5 charges (each q) are placed at 5 vertex of a regular hexagon of side a then effectively the electric field at the centre of the hexagon is
A hexagon has six vertexes. Perhaps you meant a pentagon? Or should one vertex be left without a charge?
 
gneill said:
A hexagon has six vertexes. Perhaps you meant a pentagon? Or should one vertex be left without a charge?
One vertex left without charge
 
Apashanka said:
but then what about $$V=-\int \textbf{E•dr}$$
What about it? It's a line integral (or more generally a path integral), so you need to define two endpoints and a path between them.
 
If you are asking how to find the electric field from the potential, you need to find the potential at a point ##\{x,y\}## off the center, find the gradient ##\text{-}\vec \nabla V## and then calculate it at the origin. However, there is a quicker way to answer this question that exploits symmetry and superposition.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: hutchphd
The electric field is a vector quantity so you need also to specify the direction of the field.
 
kuruman said:
If you are asking how to find the electric field from the potential, you need to find the potential at a point ##\{x,y\}## off the center, find the gradient ##\text{-}\vec \nabla V## and then calculate it at the origin. However, there is a quicker way to answer this question that exploits symmetry and superposition.
From symmetry the field at the centre due to 4 point charges gets canceled and therefore the field due to all the 5 point charges will actually be due to a single point charge at the centre which is $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a^2}$$ and similarly the potential at the centre due to all the 5 point charges is $$\frac{5q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a}$$
My question is from $$V=-\int E • dr$$ here in this case we get the potential as $$\frac{q}{4\pi\epsilon_0a}$$ which is not consistent with above??
 
How do you get that potential from that integral? Are you trying to integrate kq/a2 with a as the variable? That is not correct. kq/a2 is the value of the field at the centre; it is not a formula for the field over a space defined by the supposed variable a.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Apashanka

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
8
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K