Is there a passive molecular flow 'diode'?

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter cmb
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Diode Flow Molecular
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the concept of a passive molecular flow diode, exploring whether specific geometries, such as a trumpet-shaped cone, can facilitate unidirectional molecular flow in high vacuum environments. Theoretical insights suggest that while a straight cone may seem promising, it actually impedes molecular flow, akin to a prism's effect on light. The conversation also touches on the complexities of molecule-wall interactions and the implications of thermodynamic principles in extracting mechanical energy from thermal energy in gases.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of molecular flow dynamics in vacuum systems
  • Familiarity with gas behavior under varying pressure conditions
  • Knowledge of thermodynamics, particularly regarding energy transfer
  • Basic principles of fluid dynamics and geometry in engineering applications
NEXT STEPS
  • Research passive molecular flow geometries and their applications in vacuum technology
  • Investigate the behavior of gas molecules in confined spaces and their interactions with surfaces
  • Explore the principles of thermodynamic cycles and their relevance to molecular flow systems
  • Examine existing simulations of molecular flow and their accuracy in predicting real-world behavior
USEFUL FOR

Researchers in vacuum technology, engineers designing molecular flow systems, and physicists studying gas dynamics and thermodynamics will benefit from this discussion.

cmb
Messages
1,128
Reaction score
128
During high vacuum pumping, one sucks viscous gas out of a chamber down to just above the molecular flow density where viscous flow becomes absent, and then may employ a different sort of pump to start pulling in the remaining molecules: Molecular flow.

I have been wondering for a while if there is some geometry of pipe, maybe of changing diameter or internal baffles, that would automatically and passively compress gas in the molecular flow regime. A bit like a Tesla valve is in the viscous regime.

I was thinking about this, this evening, and did a search for 'trumpet molecular flow diode'. What I was thinking was that if molecular flow bounces its way into a trumpet cone, surely it will end up tending in one direction. However I came across this; https://www.comsol.com/paper/download/182051/eisenschmid_abstract.pdf

which shows a straight cone has the theoretical capacity to do this, but it actually works the other way around, the converging walls of the cone representing a block to molecular flow like a prism to light, or like a charged particle in a magnetic cusp.

So, are there any 'passive molecular flow pump' geometries used, do they exist, do they work well?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Are molecule-wall collisions elastic? I seem to recall they stick for some time and then break free flying off in some unrelated direction. This would make the transport calculation more involved.
 
Two additional thoughts,

<general simulation skepticism>
1) I suspect that the simulation shown doesn't represent a long term average.

<general thermodynamic skepticism>
2) A pressure differential developed between regions allow one to extract mechanical energy from the thermal energy in the gas. This would violate the usual thermodynamic arguments against a free lunch. An example is a semiconductor diode which has no net current flow from thermal charge carrier motion.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
16K
  • · Replies 19 ·
Replies
19
Views
6K