Is there a physical connection between Action and Angular Momentum?

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The discussion explores the potential physical connection between Action and Angular Momentum, examining their roles in various areas of physics such as Classical Mechanics, Quantum Mechanics, and General Relativity. Participants consider the implications of their shared dimensions and units, as well as related concepts like torque and energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Action and Angular Momentum share the same units, prompting a question about any real physical connection between them.
  • One participant asserts that there is no significant connection between Action and Angular Momentum.
  • Another participant introduces Noether's theorem, suggesting that symmetries in the Lagrangian can lead to conserved quantities, including angular momentum.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between dimensions and units, with some participants emphasizing that while Action and Angular Momentum share dimensions, they do not share the same units.
  • One participant points out that while Action is a scalar, Angular Momentum is a vector, which may influence the interpretation of their relationship.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the relationship between Action and Angular Momentum, with some asserting a lack of connection while others explore the implications of their shared dimensions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of their relationship.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of units and dimensions, as well as the implications of geometry in understanding Action and Angular Momentum.

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The Principle of Stationary Action plays a role in Classical Physics (Lagrangians), Quantum Mechanics and QED (phase), GR (geodesics of maximum Proper Time) and apparently even in String Theory. Action and Angular Momentum share the same units. Other than sharing units, is there a real physical connection between Action and Angular Momentum? As always, thanks in advance.
 
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Not really.
 
If one can find symmetries in the Lagrangian (changes of variables that leave it unchanged), then the chain rule in a form known as Noether's theorem can be used to find conserved quantities.

For example, a rotation of coordinates for a Lagrangian that has a kinetic energy and central potential (ie: Newtonian gravity) can be used to show that angular momentum is conserved. An example of this can be found in Tong's classical physics notes here:

http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/dynamics.htm
 
referframe said:
Action and Angular Momentum share the same units.

Yeah, that wigs me out a little. What about torque and energy having the same units?
 
Be careful. They share the same dimensions, not the same units.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Be careful. They share the same dimensions, not the same units.

Hi Vanadium 50. Could you elaborate a bit please? I've never heard of a distinction.
 
Cantab Morgan said:
Hi Vanadium 50. Could you elaborate a bit please? I've never heard of a distinction.

I believe I see Vanadium 50's point. Energy is Force dot Distance whereas Torque is Force cross Distance. Which indirectly answers my original question regarding Action and Angular Momentum sharing the same "units". Action is a pure scalar whereas Angular Momentum is a vector. So, when one takes into account the geometry of the situation, dimensions and units may not be the same thing.
 
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