Connection between phase, wave number and momentum

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The discussion centers on the physical justification of the de Broglie relation, specifically the equation p = ħk and its equivalent form p = -iħ ∂/∂x. Participants explore the connection between the gradient of phase in wave mechanics and momentum, referencing the paraxial wave equation in laser physics. Key insights include the historical context provided by Lord Rayleigh regarding phase velocity and its implications for wave characterization. For further understanding, de Broglie's thesis and Nobel Prize lecture are recommended as foundational resources.

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  • Understanding of de Broglie relations and quantum mechanics
  • Familiarity with wave mechanics and phase velocity
  • Knowledge of laser physics and the paraxial wave equation
  • Basic concepts of momentum in physics
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  • Read de Broglie's thesis for a comprehensive understanding of his theories
  • Study the paraxial wave equation in laser physics
  • Explore the concept of phase velocity and its applications in wave characterization
  • Investigate the historical contributions of Lord Rayleigh to wave theory
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hello!

Does anybody know the physical justification of the de broglie relation p=\hbar k? or (i guess equivalently) for p=-i\hbar ∂/∂x ?

i came across a more general "law" in laser physics, where momentum is seen as the gradient of the phase of a scalar light field (used in eg the paraxial wave equation).

what is the exact connection between the phase (or actually it's gradient) and momentum, and where does it come from physically?

thank you!
 
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Hello cin-bura,

Do you have a reference for the statement that "momentum is seen as the gradient of the phase" ?

Long ago Lord Raleigh found that one way to characterize waves is the phase velocity. That is the velocity of the plane in which the phase is constant. That's more of a mathematical extrapolation than a physical observable because it's only in special situations that that plane is aligned with the actual wave front. But from the phase velocity many facts about the wave can be determined which de Broglie used to great advantage.

For the rationale and derivation you can see de Broglie's thesis or Noble prize lecture:

http://dieumsnh.qfb.umich.mx/archivoshistoricosMQ/ModernaHist/De_Broglie_Kracklauer.pdf

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/p...ie-lecture.pdf
 
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