Determining Young's Modulus by Bending a Piece of Wood

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The discussion revolves around an experiment to determine Young's Modulus of wood through bending. Participants explore the relevant equations, derivations, and underlying mechanics involved in bending beams, specifically focusing on the application of a central load to a simply supported beam.

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  • One participant presents the equation E=WX³/4ZDY³ for calculating Young's Modulus, expressing curiosity about its derivation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the equation is derived from the bending of a simply supported beam with a central load, referencing the deflection formula d = PL³/(48EI) and the second moment of area I = bt³/12.
  • A participant explains the mechanics of bending, noting that tensile strain varies linearly through the thickness of the beam, leading to a bending moment at each cross section.
  • Some participants express difficulty in understanding the derivation and request simpler explanations, indicating that existing resources are too complex.
  • There is a suggestion that a basic understanding of strength of materials is necessary to grasp the concepts discussed.

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Participants generally agree on the mechanics of bending and the relevance of strength of materials, but there is disagreement regarding the clarity of the explanations and the accessibility of the derivation for those without a background in the subject.

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Some participants indicate that the derivation and explanations provided may not be comprehensible to those unfamiliar with strength of materials, highlighting a potential gap in understanding based on educational background.

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There is an experiment to determine the Young's Modulus of the wood which involves bending it.
The equation used to calculate it is like this
E=WX3/4ZDY3
Where D=amount of bending
W=force (N) which causes the bending
Z=width of the wood
Y=thickness of the wood
X=horizontal distance between the support
I am curious about the derivation of this equation.

Attempts:
Young's modulus = Stress/Strain
= (F/A)/(E/L)
F=W, A=YZ, L=X?, E=??
 

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Kenny Wong said:
There is an experiment to determine the Young's Modulus of the wood which involves bending it.
The equation used to calculate it is like this
E=WX3/4ZDY3
Where D=amount of bending
W=force (N) which causes the bending
Z=width of the wood
Y=thickness of the wood
X=horizontal distance between the support
I am curious about the derivation of this equation.

Attempts:
Young's modulus = Stress/Strain
= (F/A)/(E/L)
F=W, A=YZ, L=X?, E=??

This is a bending problem, rather than a tensile test.

The equation used to determine E is derived from the bending of a simply supported beam with a central load applied.

d = PL3/(48EI)

where

d = central deflection
P = applied load
L = distance between supports
E = modulus of elasticity
I = second moment of area of the cross section

In this case I = bt3/12

where

b = breadth of the plank
t = thickness of the plank

Substitute into the equation for deflection, do the algebra, and viola.
 
The formula that SteamKing presented was derived on the basis of a Strength of Materials approach. Mechanistically, it involves noting that, when a beam is bent, the axial strain on the outside of the bend is tensile, and the axial strain on the inside of the bend is compressive. So unlike pure tension, where the tensile strain is uniform throughout the beam, in bending the tensile strain varies linearly through the thickness of the beam. This gives rise to a bending moment at each cross section. The bending moment and the bending strain increases in proportion to the load that is applied. I hope this simple mechanistic picture makes sense to you.

Chet
 
So the formula is an original formula? Is it possible to explain and derive it in simple terms?

I have checked up the wikipedia on 'Bending' and the equations and explanations are all non-human level. LOL
 
Kenny Wong said:
So the formula is an original formula? Is it possible to explain and derive it in simple terms?

I have checked up the wikipedia on 'Bending' and the equations and explanations are all non-human level. LOL

I thought I just did. If you haven't taken a basic strength of materials course, then you probably won't understand the regular procedure to determine Young's modulus either.
 
Hey Kenny,

Get yourself a book on Strength of Materials. Every book on Strength of Materials has lots of material on how to solve beam problems.

Chet
 

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