Is There a Relativistic Version of Hooke's Law for Materials?

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The discussion centers on the concept of a relativistic version of Hooke's Law for materials, exploring the theoretical framework and implications of relativistic elasticity. Participants examine the relationship between material properties and relativistic effects, considering both special and general relativity in the context of material behavior under deformation.

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  • Some participants seek references for a relativistic theory of materials, specifically regarding Hooke's law in the context of homogeneous isotropic linear media.
  • One participant recommends Greg Egan's page on Relativistic Elasticity as a useful starting point, noting it provides a detailed reference on the subject.
  • Another participant proposes that the analysis begins with a congruence of worldlines representing the motion and deformation of the material, involving calculations of expansion scalar, shear tensor, and vorticity tensor.
  • There is a suggestion that the stress-energy tensor can be computed from the expansion and shear tensors, although the role of the vorticity tensor is debated.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of special relativity (SR) and general relativity (GR) on material properties, questioning how these frameworks interact with classical material behavior.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for a covariant generalization of Hooke's law, indicating that the relationship between stress-energy tensor and material stiffness may require additional mapping beyond divergence-free conditions.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature of a relativistic theory of materials, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how relativistic effects should be integrated into material models. There are competing interpretations of how SR and GR influence material properties and the formulation of a relativistic Hooke's law.

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Participants note that the discussion involves complex mathematical constructs, such as congruences and tensors, and that existing literature may not adequately address non-geodesic congruences in the context of material deformation.

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After a few recent discussions I have realized that I don’t know anything about a relativistic theory of materials. Does anyone have a good link for a reference about Hooke’s law in relativity, or something similar. Homogeneous isotropic linear media is fine.
 
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My thinking is that one starts with a congruence of worldlines that represent the motion and deformation of the body in question. If one imagine the body is made up of small particles, then this congruence is a timelike unit vector field that is the four-velocity of each particle that defines the body.

Then one can compute the expansion scalar, shear tensor, and the vorticity tensor from the congruence. The computation process revolves around the projection operator that projects space-time into a spatial part and a time part, it's known as the kinematic decomposition of the time-like congruence. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Congruence_(general_relativity)&oldid=737290097.

Some of the detailed work here involves showing that the expansion, shear, and vorticity tensors are in fact tensors. Most of the textbooks I have skip over congruences completely, and if they do consider them at all, they only consider geodesic congruences and not more general congruences. But we really need to be able to handle non-geodesic congruences for this type of problem. Wiki is one of the few sources that I've seen that talk about non-geodesic congruences. There's not a huge difference, the basic difference is that the four-acceleration of a point on a geodesic congruence is always zero, but on a general congruence it's not necessarily zero. The focus on geodesic congruences I've noted probably represents what I read more than what exists in the literature, my suspicion is basically that physicists mostly leave non-geodesic congurences to the mathematicians.

The material model in tensor form, I believe, says that when you know the expansion, shear, and the vorticity tensors of the congurence, the material model allows you to compute the associated stress-energy tensor. (Though I don't think Egan's model involves the vorticity tensor at all, from what I can recall. I'm leaving it in for completeness, it seems like it might be needed in general, though possibly one could argue somehow that the vorticity doesn't contribute to the model).

Then the equations to be satisfied are that the stress-energy tensor is divergence free, i.e. ##\nabla_a T^{ab} = 0##. This apporoach needs to be expanded to take into account how one deals with constraints and interactions with other bodies, it's oriented towards the analysis of force-free bodies.

I don't have any references for any of this alas. It's really just my thoughts, based on trying to give a high-level and very abstract description of Egan's approach as I recall it from a very long time ago when I spent more time with it.
 
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pervect said:
My thinking is that one starts with a congruence of worldlines that represent the motion and deformation of the body in question.

Just to be clear, in a problem of this sort, one usually doesn't know in advance exactly which congruence of worldlines represents the motion of the body. However, as Egan describes, one approach (the second of two that he describes) is to think of the body as described by some (as yet unknown) congruence of worldlines, and write down a set of differential equations that describe the congruence, and look for solutions to those equations.
 
Dale said:
relativistic theory of materials

What does this mean?

SR -> how different reference frames calculate classically useful material properties with respect to each other?

GR -> how classically useful material properties change with the curvature of space time?

Something else?
 
PeterDonis said:
I've always found Greg Egan's page on Relativistic Elasticity to be a good starting point:

http://www.gregegan.net/SCIENCE/Rindler/SimpleElasticity.html

He also gives a reference at the end that treats the subject in much more detail.
This is very helpful. I will need to go through it a second time. I think I will see if I can use it to construct a simple harmonic oscillator solution.
 
pervect said:
Then the equations to be satisfied are that the stress-energy tensor is divergence free, i.e. ∇aTab=0∇aTab=0\nabla_a T^{ab} = 0.
Surely you need more than that. That would lead to the same stress energy tensor regardless of the stiffness of the material itself. I think that there needs to be some mapping from the shear and expansion tensor to the stress energy tensor.
 
Grinkle said:
What does this mean?
I think what I really mean is a manifestly covariant generalization of Hooke’s law
 
Grinkle said:
SR -> how different reference frames calculate classically useful material properties with respect to each other?

GR -> how classically useful material properties change with the curvature of space time?

Something else?

All of the above. :wink:

The main additional element that I see, over and above what you put under "SR" and "GR", both of which are important, is how the material properties determine what worldlines the individual pieces of the material follow.
 

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