Is There a Unique Solution to the Equation xy + x - 4 = 4y?

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The problem involves proving the existence and uniqueness of a real number x such that the equation xy + x - 4 = 4y holds for all real numbers y. The original poster attempts to analyze the equation by considering different cases for y, particularly focusing on the scenario where y equals -1, which complicates the solution due to division by zero.

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  • Participants discuss the need to find a fixed x that satisfies the equation for all y, rather than expressing x in terms of y. Some suggest that the original poster may be misinterpreting the problem's requirements.

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Several participants have provided guidance on the interpretation of the problem, emphasizing the importance of finding a single value of x that works universally for all y. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the cases presented by the original poster.

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There is a noted concern regarding the lack of explicit constraints in the problem statement, particularly about the value of y being equal to -1, which affects the validity of the original poster's reasoning.

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Homework Statement


Prove that there is a unique real number x such that for every real number y, xy + x -4 = 4y

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Givens:
x, y are real numbers

The goal has the form
∃!x(∀y(xy+x-4=4y))

Existence:
We want to prove that ∃x(∀y(xy+x-4=4y))
First, we let y be an arbitrary real number, then we solve the equation xy+x-4 = 4y for x, to get

x = 4y+4/(y+1)
However, this equation has two special cases depending on if y does or doesn't equal -1, therefore I split up the Existence proof into two cases

Case 1a) y = -1,
then x(-1+1) = 4(-1) + 4 which turns into x(0) = 4(0) + 4 = 0
The first and last parts of this equation tell us that x(0) = 0, but this is true for ALL X, therefore for any value of x this case where y = - 1 is true, therefore existence is proved in this case.

Case 1b) y=/=-1
then x = 4y+4/(y+1)

I have proved existence, now I want to prove Uniqueness: that is, if there exists some other real number, say z, such that
zy + z - 4 = 4y, that z = x.

So we let z be an arbitrary real number and we make the assumption that zy + z - 4 = 4y and prove that z = x:

but this just brings up two cases again:

case 2a) y = -1, then z can be anything (just like in case 1a)
case 2b) y=/= -1, then z = 4y+4/(y+1) which implies that z=x

In this case Uniqueness is impossible since when y=-1, z could be any real number and x can be any real number, for example, z = 3/4 and x = 1000000000
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Was there some sort of mistake in my reasoning? The text never explicitly states in the question that y=/=-1 so I have to consider the case where it is -1 since the equation 'breaks down' since I can't divide by 0. I'm sort of stuck on this, is this a mistake on my part or should the text have specified that y=/=-1? Any help would be much appreciated.

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pandaBee said:
First, we let y be an arbitrary real number, then we solve the equation xy+x-4 = 4y for x, to get

x = 4y+4/(y+1)

You are missing some parentheses here ...

xy + x - 4 = 4y
x(y+1) = 4y + 4
x(y+1) = 4(y+1)
x = ...
 
pandaBee said:
Case 1b) y=/=-1
then x = 4y+4/(y+1)

I have proved existence,
No you haven't. You have expressed x as a function of y, but you have to show there's a single x that works for all y.
Hint: the way you have written that equation is wrong. Get the parentheses right.

Edit: Orodruin pipped me at the 'post'.
 
The business with cases is entirely unnecessary. You're misinterpreting the question I think. Find an explicit x (that does not depend on y!) such that xy + x -4 = 4y for all y. Yes, including y=-1.

Don't solve for x in terms of y. Don't do anything to the equation! Pick a couple x to see what happens. Try x=1, 2, -50, pi, etc. There's a particular x such that this is true, regardless of y.
 
You may also be misinterpreting the question, your x should be the same regardless of the value of y, i.e., there is a fixed x for which the equality holds regardless of what y is.
 
Orodruin said:
You are missing some parentheses here ...

xy + x - 4 = 4y
x(y+1) = 4y + 4
x(y+1) = 4(y+1)
x = ...
Ah, yes. That's exactly what I meant, it was a slip-up on my part.

So in other words I should just be able to say x=4 works for all possible values of y. Woops. I should probably take a break.
Thanks for the clarification.
 
Orodruin said:
You may also be misinterpreting the question, your x should be the same regardless of the value of y, i.e., there is a fixed x for which the equality holds regardless of what y is.

Are you talking to me? Because that's exactly what I said.
 
pandaBee said:
Ah, yes. That's exactly what I meant, it was a slip-up on my part.

So in other words I should just be able to say x=4 works for all possible values of y. Woops. I should probably take a break.
Thanks for the clarification.

Yup! 4 works. Then you must prove uniqueness.
 
johnqwertyful said:
Are you talking to me? Because that's exactly what I said.

When I started writing that I was still had the lone reply in this thread :-p
 
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Orodruin said:
When I started writing that I was still had the lone reply in this thread :-p

Haha, I hate that. I forgive you :)
 

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