Is there any benefit to using Taylor series centered at nonzero value

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The discussion revolves around the benefits of using Taylor series centered at nonzero values compared to Maclaurin series, particularly in the context of approximating functions and calculating specific values like e^0. Participants explore the implications of choosing different expansion points and the conditions under which Taylor series can be applied.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that using a Taylor series centered at a point close to where the function is evaluated can yield better approximations.
  • Others argue that any Taylor series can be centered at any point, but note that the function must be defined and infinitely differentiable at that point.
  • One participant points out that calculating e^2 using a Taylor series centered at 2 results in 0, raising questions about the utility of such expansions.
  • Another participant mentions that knowing the exact value of a function at a point allows for approximations at nearby points using Taylor series.
  • It is noted that while some functions can be infinitely differentiable at a point, their Taylor series may not represent the function accurately away from that point.
  • A specific example is given regarding the function f(x) = e^(-1/x^2) for x ≠ 0, which is infinitely differentiable at x = 0 but whose Taylor series does not equal the function elsewhere.
  • Participants also discuss the use of Taylor series for finding series solutions to linear differential equations with initial values at non-zero points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the utility and applicability of Taylor series centered at nonzero points versus Maclaurin series. There is no consensus on the best approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall benefits of each method.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations are noted, such as the requirement for functions to be defined and infinitely differentiable at the chosen expansion point, as well as the potential for Taylor series to not accurately represent functions outside of their center.

Turion
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over a Maclaurin series?

Also, how do I calculate e^0 using Maclaurin series? I'm getting 0^0.
 
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Try to express ln(x) as series around x=0 ;)
Of course, instead of using 1 as expansion point, you can expand ln(x-1) around x=0, but that just gives the same result.

If you want to approximate the function value somewhere, it can be useful to consider an expansion point close to that.

0^0 has to be defined as 1 here to get a correct series, but you need the value of e^0 anyway to calculate the series of e^x around x=0.
 
mfb said:
If you want to approximate the function value somewhere, it can be useful to consider an expansion point close to that.

Why? Can't you use any Taylor series centered at any point?

Also, when I calculate e^2 using Taylor series centered at 2, I get 0 since x-a=2-2=0. I just noticed that in order to calculate any power of e, you need to know that power of e first. Doesn't that make it kind of pointless?
 
Turion said:
Why? Can't you use any Taylor series centered at any point?
No - the function that is represented by the Taylor series has to be defined and infinitely differentiable at that point. So you can't write a Taylor series centered around a = 0 for ln(x).
Turion said:
Also, when I calculate e^2 using Taylor series centered at 2, I get 0 since x-a=2-2=0.
I just noticed that in order to calculate any power of e, you need to know that power of e first. Doesn't that make it kind of pointless?
The idea is that if you know the exact value of your function at some point a, you can use a Taylor series to find approximations at points near a. For example, we know that cos(60°) = cos(##\pi/3##) = .5, exactly. We can use a Taylor series expansion about a = ##\pi/3## to get reasonable approximations to angles such as 60.5°, and so on.
 
Mark44 said:
No - the function that is represented by the Taylor series has to be defined and infinitely differentiable at that point. So you can't write a Taylor series centered around a = 0 for ln(x).
I would like to point out that the function f(x)= e^{-1/x^2} if x\ne 0, f(0)= 0, is infinitely differentiable so you can write a Taylor series centered around x= 0, just as Mark44 says but that Taylor series is not equal to f(x) anywhere except at x= 0.

The idea is that if you know the exact value of your function at some point a, you can use a Taylor series to find approximations at points near a. For example, we know that cos(60°) = cos(##\pi/3##) = .5, exactly. We can use a Taylor series expansion about a = ##\pi/3## to get reasonable approximations to angles such as 60.5°, and so on.

Another reason to use a Taylor series around a value other than 0 is to find a series solution to a linear differential equation with "initial values" given at some non-zero point.
 
Turion said:
over a Maclaurin series?

Also, how do I calculate e^0 using Maclaurin series? I'm getting 0^0.

ex = 1 + x + x2/2! + ...
therefore e0 = 1.
 

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