Is there impulse during a collision only?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of impulse, particularly whether it occurs only during collisions or also in other scenarios, such as when a body is accelerating and interacting with air molecules or the ground. The scope includes theoretical considerations and mathematical reasoning related to impulse and momentum.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about impulse being defined only during collisions and questions whether it also applies when a body accelerates and interacts with air molecules or the ground.
  • Another participant explains that impulse is mathematically related to momentum and can be viewed as a transfer of momentum during a collision, suggesting that collisions with air molecules also involve impulse, albeit harder to measure.
  • A participant challenges the idea that there is no impulse during a collision with the ground, arguing that any collision with a massive object transfers impulse, although the effects may be negligible for the ground.
  • Some participants discuss the relationship between impulse and friction, with one suggesting that friction should not be conflated with impulse in this context.
  • It is noted that while impulse occurs during collisions with air molecules, the magnitudes involved are often small and may not be considered significant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether impulse occurs during interactions with the ground and air molecules. Some agree that impulse is present in these scenarios, while others argue it is primarily associated with collisions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the significance of impulse in non-collision contexts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the definitions and assumptions regarding impulse and momentum, particularly in how they relate to different types of interactions. The discussion highlights the complexity of measuring impulse in various scenarios.

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I know there are many websites on Internet but I can not understand any. My teacher says impulse is only during a collision of one body with other (when a car collide with other car etc.). My question is will there be impulse when a body is accelerating , when it collides with the air molecules , and with the ground (as it moves when it collides with the ground). I am confused in this topic and what does it means that impulse is the integral of net force. J=∫F dt
 
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Ali Hamaiz said:
I know there are many websites on Internet but I can not understand any. My teacher says impulse is only during a collision of one body with other (when a car collide with other car etc.). My question is will there be impulse when a body is accelerating , when it collides with the air molecules , and with the ground (as it moves when it collides with the ground). I am confused in this topic and what does it means that impulse is the integral of net force.
Since force is mass times acceleration according to Newton's second law, and velocity is the integral of acceleration, i.e. the amount of change summed over a period of time, to yield a final velocity, it follows, that mass times velocity - the impulse - is the integral of force.
$$ F = m \cdot a(t) \Longrightarrow \int F = \int m \cdot a(t) dt = m\cdot \int a(t)dt = m \cdot v(t) = Imp$$
So far to the mathematical part of your question. On Wikipedia we find:
Impulse applied to an object produces an equivalent vector change in its linear momentum, also in the same direction.
Mathematically there is no difference between momentum and impulse, as there isn't a difference between velocity and speed. So it is basically about how we use the two terms. The equation above shows us, that only the (not changing) mass of an object and its velocity plays a role for its impulse, resp. momentum. Since both have nothing to do with a collision, the momentum is a property of a moving object. O.k., zero velocity leads to zero momentum, so we don't even need movement. A collision can be viewed as a kind of measurement: all of a sudden the velocity changes in a short period of time and the impulse is transferred to another object, in your example above to another car (Newton's third law). This "measures" the amount of impulse. So I guess (I'm no native English speaker), that impulse is reserved to the transfer of momentum and therefore a sort of collision is needed, whereas momentum is reserved to the object's property independent of any measurement. If you consider collisions with air molecules (or with the road the car is driving on), then you get the concept of air resistance (or friction). They also result in a change of velocity and therefore a change of momentum. However, they are harder to measure than the collision measurement with another car would be.
 
@fresh_42 So this means that there will be no impulse acting on a body during collision with the ground and to define these terms we use friction not the impulse .But can we say there is impulse as the momentum of a body is transferred to the air molecules (if we get to measure the rate of collision).
 
Ali Hamaiz said:
@fresh_42 So this means that there will be no impulse acting on a body during collision with the ground..
Why that? Any collision with a massive object transfers impulse, even to the ground. But in this case we have
$$\text{ mass}_{\text{ object }} \cdot \text{ change of velocity}_{\text{ object}} = \text{ mass}_{\text{ earth}}\cdot \text{ change of velocity}_{\text{ earth}}$$
so you won't see much of a change in velocity of the ground (=earth).
... and to define these terms we use friction not the impulse.
No. Forget the friction in this case. It was only an example of a source for change in velocity.
But can we say there is impulse as the momentum of a body is transferred to the air molecules (if we get to measure the rate of collision).
Well, yes. Driving a car causes airflow as a result of the collision of the car with air molecules.

For short:
momentum = mass ##\cdot## velocity
impulse = momentum transfer during a collision
 
I know get it , the conclusion is that yes there is impulse when the collision is with the air molecules but we do not consider it because there magnitudes are small .

Appreciated your answers , Thanks.
 

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