Is There More Than One Way to Evaluate Integrals?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the evaluation of integrals, particularly focusing on the treatment of definite integrals of odd functions and the methods used in textbooks. Participants explore different perspectives on how integrals should be evaluated, including the implications of splitting integrals and the concept of improper integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the integral \(\int_{-2}^{2} x^3 dx\) is zero because the function is odd, questioning the necessity of splitting the integral as suggested by a textbook.
  • Others agree that if the integral is presented without context regarding area, the answer should be considered zero.
  • One participant raises a concern about whether the textbook is addressing the evaluation of improper integrals, specifically the expression \(\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x) dx\) as \(\lim_{a \rightarrow \infty} \int_{-a}^{a} f(x) dx\).
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the aforementioned expression, stating that it is not true and suggesting an alternative method involving independent limits for evaluation.
  • There is a question about the implications of the textbook's approach, with one participant expressing hope that the textbook is not endorsing the disputed method.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the correct approach to evaluating integrals, particularly regarding the treatment of odd functions and improper integrals. Multiple competing views remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the discussion involves assumptions about the context in which integrals are presented, as well as the definitions and conditions under which certain evaluation methods apply. The distinction between evaluating definite integrals and improper integrals is also highlighted.

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I have seen in some textbooks that the value of integrals are treated differently.

In one textbook it said to evaluate
[tex]\int_{-2}^{2} x^3 dx[/tex]
I would say immediately that the answer is zero. because the function is odd around origo.

While the textbook claimed you had to split ut the integral, and integrate term by term.

I would have agreed with the textbook if it had said , find the area of x^3 from -1 to 1. But just giving the integral, isn't this wrong?
 
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Hi Nebuchadnezza! :smile:

Nebuchadnezza said:
I have seen in some textbooks that the value of integrals are treated differently.

In one textbook it said to evaluate
[tex]\int_{-2}^{2} x^3 dx[/tex]
I would say immediately that the answer is zero. because the function is odd around origo.

While the textbook claimed you had to split ut the integral, and integrate term by term.

I would have agreed with the textbook if it had said , find the area of x^3 from -1 to 1. But just giving the integral, isn't this wrong?

You are certainly correct in saying that the integral is zero because the function is odd. I don't quite see why the textbook should say that. I guess the textbook wants you to find the area, and then you need to split up the integral. However, if they just give the integral and say nothing about the area, then you are correct in saying that it is 0.

So, judging from what you give me, I would say that you are correct.
 
I wonder if the textbook was treating the topic of whether
[itex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x) dx[/itex] can be evaluated as [itex]\lim_{a \rightarrow \infty} \int_{-a}^{a} f(x) dx[/itex].
 
Stephen Tashi said:
I wonder if the textbook was treating the topic of whether
[itex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} f(x) dx[/itex] can be evaluated as [itex]\lim_{a \rightarrow \infty} \int_{-a}^{a} f(x) dx[/itex].

I hope not. That statement is not true!
[tex]\int_{-\infty}^\infty f(x)dx[/tex]
must be evaluated as
[tex]\lim_{\epsilon\to -\infty}\int_\epsilon^a f(x)dx+ \lim_{\delta\to\infty} \int_a^\delta f(xt)dx[/tex]
where the two limits are evaluated independently. The formula you give is the "Cauchy principle value" which is the same as the integral if the integral exist but may exist even when the integral itself does not.
 
HallsofIvy said:
I hope not.

Why do you hope not? If the textbook was treating that topic then Nebuchadnezza wasn't hallucinating (at least not to a large extent).
 

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