Is this function in Hilbert space?

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The discussion revolves around determining the conditions under which the function \( f(x) = x^{\nu} \) belongs to a Hilbert space on the interval \( (0,1) \). The original poster explores the implications of square-integrability and the necessary conditions for \( \nu \), including specific cases such as \( \nu = \frac{1}{2} \).

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the integration of \( |x^{\nu}|^{2} \) and its implications for determining whether \( f(x) \) is in Hilbert space. There are attempts to clarify the conditions on \( \nu \) and specific evaluations for cases like \( \nu = \frac{1}{2} \). Questions arise regarding the validity of integration steps and the completeness of the Hilbert space.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided feedback on the integration process and suggested alternative approaches. There is acknowledgment of the correct evaluation for specific cases, but further exploration of additional conditions and assumptions is ongoing.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of defining an inner product and ensuring completeness in the context of Hilbert spaces, which adds complexity to the discussion. There is also mention of specific values of \( \nu \) that may lead to divergences in integrals.

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Homework Statement



(a) For what range of ##\nu## is the function ##f(x) = x^{\nu}## in Hilbert space, on the interval ##(0,1)##. Assume ##\nu## is real, but not necessarily positive.

(b) For the specific case ##\nu = \frac{1}{2}##, is ##f(x)## in Hilbert space? What about ##xf(x)##? What about ##\frac{d}{dx}f(x)##?

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If the function ##f(x) = x^{\nu}## belongs in Hilbert space, then ##\int_{0}^{1} |x^{\nu}|^{2} dx < \infty##

(assuming that, by 'Hilbert space', the question means 'the vector space of square-integrable functions,' as that is the only Hilbert space of interest to physicists).

Therefore,

##\int_{0}^{1} |x^{\nu}|^{2} dx < \infty##

## = \int_{0}^{1} x^{2 \nu} dx < \infty## since ##\nu## is real

## = \int_{0}^{1} e^{{\rm ln} x^{2 \nu}} dx < \infty##

## = \int_{0}^{1} e^{2 \nu {\rm ln} x} dx < \infty##

## = [ \frac{2 \nu}{x} e^{2 \nu {\rm ln} x} ]_{0}^{1} < \infty##

## = [ 2 \nu e^{2 \nu {\rm ln} 1} - \frac{2 \nu}{0} e^{2 \nu {\rm ln} 0} ] < \infty##

The only way for this the last sentence to be valid is for ##\nu## to be 0.

Am I on the right track?
 
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Hi,
No, you derail when you do the integration. You can easily check by taking ##\nu = 1## .
There are easier ways to integrate ##x^{2\nu}## (if you differentiate it, you'll probably see it)
 
Thanks for pointing it out! Don't know why I made my life harder when it was already an easy problem.

So, here's my new attempt:

If the function ##f(x) = x^{\nu}## belongs in Hilbert space, then ##\int_{0}^{1} |x^{\nu}|^{2} dx < \infty##

(assuming that, by 'Hilbert space', the question means 'the vector space of square-integrable functions,' as that is the only Hilbert space of interest to physicists).

Therefore,

##\int_{0}^{1} |x^{\nu}|^{2} dx < \infty##

## = \int_{0}^{1} x^{2 \nu} dx < \infty## since ##\nu## is real

## = [ \frac{x^{2 \nu + 1}}{2 \nu + 1} ]_{0}^{1} < \infty##

## = \frac{1}{2 \nu + 1} < \infty##

Therefore, ##2 \nu + 1 \neq 0##, so that ##\nu \neq - \frac{1}{2}##.

Therefore, the function ##f(x) = x^{\nu}## is in Hilbert space, on the interval ##(0,1)##, for all real values of ##\nu## except ##-\frac{1}{2}##.

P.S.: I'd assume that for the function ##f(x) = x^{\nu}## to ##\textit{really}## be in Hilbert space (on the interval ##(0,1)##), we must also show that there is an inner product (that converges to a complex number) defined on the Hilbert space, and that the Hilbert space is complete. I have no idea, though, as to how I can form an inner product with only the one function ##f(x) = x^{\nu}##.

(b) ##\int_{0}^{1} |x^{\frac{1}{2}}|^{2} dx##

## = \int_{0}^{1} x dx##

## = [ \frac{x^{2}}{2} ]_{0}^{1}##

## = \frac{1}{2}##

##< \infty##

So, for the specific case ##\nu = \frac{1}{2}##, ##f(x)## in Hilbert space.Am I on the right track?
 
On the right track allright, but overshooting the length of the rails a little. Look again at your primitive. Can you carry out the integration for e.g. ##\nu = -2## ?

And (b) is right, so far, but there are two more things asked there...
 
Re inner product: you can try looking at your integral as the inner product ##f(x) \cdot f(x)##...

And in a fancy notation it would be ##<\nu|\nu>## ...
 

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