Is this normal for a first calculus based physics course

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The discussion revolves around the curriculum of a first calculus-based physics course, specifically addressing the topics covered and the perceived importance of certain subjects such as thermodynamics and fluid mechanics. Participants share their experiences and compare course structures from different educational systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes their course covers chapters 1-10 and possibly chapter 13, questioning whether thermodynamics and fluid mechanics are essential or optional topics for a first physics course.
  • Another participant suggests that thermodynamics is covered at the beginning of the second semester in their course.
  • A participant asserts that the curriculum seems normal for a semester course, though they express uncertainty about international course lengths.
  • One participant shares their experience from a French university, indicating that thermodynamics and fluid mechanics were included in their first semester, along with other topics, and emphasizes the importance of these subjects for understanding advanced concepts.
  • Another participant mentions using a different textbook and outlines their course structure, which includes chapters 1-12 and additional topics, while also noting that their second semester will cover fluids and waves.
  • Some participants reflect on the differences in course content between their experiences and those in the US and Canada, suggesting that international courses may cover more material.
  • A participant expresses a desire for a solid physics education despite being in an engineering major, indicating that they are aware of other courses that include fluid mechanics and thermodynamics.
  • One participant recalls their positive experience with Douglas Giancoli's physics books, indicating a preference for that resource.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether thermodynamics and fluid mechanics are essential topics for a first physics course. There are multiple competing views regarding the curriculum structure and the importance of various subjects.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different educational systems and course lengths, which may affect the topics covered in their respective physics courses. There is also mention of varying textbook choices and their influence on course content.

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my course uses university physics with modern physics but it only goes through chapter 1 -10 and if time permits 13
they are:

1 Units, Physical Quantities, and Vectors
2 Motion Along a Straight Line
3 Motion in Two or Three Dimensions
4 Newton's Laws of Motion
5 Applying Newton's Laws
6 Work and Kinetic Energy
7 Potential Energy and Energy Conservation
8 Momentum, Impulse, and Collisions
9 Rotation of Rigid Bodies
10 Dynamics of Rotational Motion
13 Periodic Motion
It doesn't cover thermodynamics or fluid mechanics. So I am wondering are they considered essential or optional topics of first physics course?
 
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Do they cover the "missing" topics in the second semester? We do thermo at the beginning of second semester.
 
For a semester course that seems pretty normal.
 
first of all since I am not sure that the length of the course here is the same as the length internationally 1 course is usually only 3.5 months because we have a lot of vacations also in the second course phy 102 they cover http://physics.kuniv.edu.kw/Courses/phys102.pdf
here the summer vacation is long (about 3.5 months)
 
madah12 said:
my course uses university physics with modern physics but it only goes through chapter 1 -10 and if time permits 13
they are:

1 Units, Physical Quantities, and Vectors
2 Motion Along a Straight Line
3 Motion in Two or Three Dimensions
4 Newton's Laws of Motion
5 Applying Newton's Laws
6 Work and Kinetic Energy
7 Potential Energy and Energy Conservation
8 Momentum, Impulse, and Collisions
9 Rotation of Rigid Bodies
10 Dynamics of Rotational Motion
13 Periodic Motion
It doesn't cover thermodynamics or fluid mechanics. So I am wondering are they considered essential or optional topics of first physics course?


In my country where I did my undergrad (a French Uni) the topics you mention are part of a first semester university physics, but part only, as we covered also thermodynamics and fluid mechanics and some other topics as well. The second semester was focused on electromagnetism, wave theory (an indepth coverage extending the periodic motion chapter of the mechanics first-semester course) and introductory modern physics, including an informal first approach of quantum mechanics.

Thermodynamics and fluid mechanics are important because , thermdynamics can be seen as an interesting approach of systems of particles in general, while fluid mechanics gives a way to enter into the world of tensors in more advanced course in the second year. The concept of flui in physics is quite important as it plays a role in various branches (the model of perfect fluid in general relativity, or the tools it provides to study fields, and i don't even mention non-linear dynamics and chaos theory) so an introduction to fluid mechanics, even at an elementary level, is certainly not a waste.
 
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We use the same book in the course, called Newtonian Mechanics and Relativity (first Physics course, first semester), and we're going to be doing chapters 1 - 12, 37 and some concepts from 44 (but that's just because the professor is a particle physicist :smile:). Next semester we have Fluids and Waves, but I don't really know what topics we'll cover.
Quantumjump said:
In my country where I did my undergrad (a French Uni) the topics you mention are part of a first semester university physics, but part only, as we covered also thermodynamics and fluid mechanics and some other topics as well. The second semester was focused on electromagnetism, wave theory (an indepth coverage extending the periodic motion chapter of the mechanics first-semester course) and introductory modern physics, including an informal first approach of quantum mechanics.
Yeah, I think everywhere but in the US and Canada you cover more stuff than that, so it's hard to compare.
 
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Quantumjump said:
In my country where I did my undergrad (a French Uni) the topics you mention are part of a first semester university physics, but part only, as we covered also thermodynamics and fluid mechanics and some other topics as well. The second semester was focused on electromagnetism, wave theory (an indepth coverage extending the periodic motion chapter of the mechanics first-semester course) and introductory modern physics, including an informal first approach of quantum mechanics.
yes I know other foreign friends who used the book with fluid mechanics and thermodynamics so I started my topic.Even though I am in engineering major I am looking for good physics education.
 
In fact the first physics calculus-based course we had was Douglas Giancoli's Physics books (the three books), in case you know. I really liked it.
 

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