Is this section of the wikipedia page for gamma matrices wrong?

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The discussion revolves around the accuracy of a section from the Wikipedia page on gamma matrices, particularly focusing on the normalization and transformation properties of these matrices in the context of the Dirac equation and Lorentz transformations. Participants explore the implications of these properties for the equivalence of the Dirac equation and its conjugate, as well as the hermiticity conditions associated with gamma matrices.

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  • Some participants question the reliability of Wikipedia, suggesting that while it is generally reliable, it can contain inaccuracies.
  • One participant asserts that the relation ##\gamma^0 (\gamma^\mu)^\dagger \gamma^0 = \gamma^\mu## may not hold under Lorentz transformations, raising concerns about the implications for the conjugate Dirac equation.
  • Another participant argues that the hermiticity conditions are invariant under Lorentz transformations, proposing that the transformation properties of the gamma matrices allow for this invariance.
  • Some participants note that ##\gamma^0## is not necessarily the only matrix that can be used in the context of the transformation properties, and that different authors may refer to it differently.
  • There is a suggestion that ##\gamma^0## serves as a metric for Dirac spinors, drawing an analogy to the Minkowski metric.
  • One participant mentions that the discussion is complicated by the choice of representation for the gamma matrices, which can affect the validity of certain relations.

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Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the Wikipedia article, with some asserting it is partially wrong while others defend its reliability. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the transformation properties of gamma matrices and the validity of specific relations under Lorentz transformations.

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The discussion highlights limitations in the clarity of definitions and the dependence on specific representations of gamma matrices. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the transformation properties and their implications for the Dirac equation.

  • #61
atyy said:
Would it be correct to say that this is the reason we must use tetrads to incorporate fermions in curved spacetime?

Correct. However, the tetrads (veirbein) are necessary objects for any differentiable manifold. They follow from the fact that the spacetime manifold, considered as a topological space, is locally (homeomorphic to \mathbb{R}^{(1, n - 1)}) flat Minkowskian.

Sam
 
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  • #62
Samalkhait, thank you for your answer which was quite clear to me. I have a few additional questions.

samalkhaiat said:
For this reason, we say that GL(4) does not act in the index-space of spinors.
So does it mean that, under general coordinate transformations, spinors transform as scalars?

And if your answer is yes (which I think would be the correct answer), can we think of Lorentz transformations as nothing but a special case of general coordinate transformation?

And when we interpret Lorentz transformations in that way, then can we say that, in this interpretation at least, spinors transform as scalars under Lorentz transformations?
 
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  • #63
So does it mean that, under general coordinate transformations, spinors transform as scalars?

And if your answer is yes (which I think would be the correct answer),
In order to stress the fact that spinors do not belong to GL(n), it is better to say that Lorentz spinor is treated as “scalar” in curved space.

can we think of Lorentz transformations as nothing but a special case of general coordinate transformation?
All real matrix groups are subgroups of GL(n, \mathbb{R}) including \mbox{SL} ( n , \mathbb{R}) and \mbox{Spin} (n).

And when we interpret Lorentz transformations in that way, then can we say that, in this interpretation at least, spinors transform as scalars under Lorentz transformations?
You take spinor from flat space and treat it as “scalar” in curved space and then you conclude that spinor is Lorentz scalar?
This is false argument unless you tell people how you define “your” Lorentz scalar and spinor.

The usual definition of Lorentz scalar and Lorentz spionr are the following:

Lorentz scalar is an object with vanishing spin matrix, i.e. under Lorentz transformation, a scalar field transforms by the identity matrix:
\phi_{ i } ( x ) \leftarrow \bar{ \phi }_{ i } ( \bar{ x } ) = \delta^{ j }_{ i } \phi_{ j } ( x ) .
In the representation theory, we say that Lorentz scalar belongs to the representation space V^{ ( 0 , 0 ) }.

Lorentz (bi)spinor is an object with non-vanishing spin matrix \Sigma^{ \mu \nu }, i.e. under Lorentz transformation, Dirac spinor field transforms as
\psi ( x ) \rightarrow \psi^{ ' } ( \bar{ x } ) = \exp ( - \frac{ i }{ 2 } \omega_{ \mu \nu } \Sigma^{ \mu \nu } ) \psi ( x ) .
In the representation theory, we say that (bi)spinor belongs to the representation space V^{ ( 0 , 1/2 ) } \oplus V^{ ( 1/2 , 0 ) } .

Suppose (for the sake of argument) that \psi is Lorentz scalar, then \partial_{ a } \psi is Lorentz vector.

Now, Einstein’s EP tells you that the derivative of scalar is covariant vector in curved space. So, \partial_{ a } \psi \rightarrow \partial_{ \mu } \psi, i.e., there is no need for connection!

Suppose (as you say) that \gamma^{ a } is Lorentz vector. Thus, in curved space, we will have the contra-variant vector \gamma^{ \mu }.

Thus, you would conclude (in 3 seconds) that Dirac equation i \gamma^{ \mu } \partial_{ \mu } \psi = 0, is generally covariant. Of course, we know this is not true.

We also know, It took 30 years to figure out the correct form of Dirac equation in GR.
 

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