Is This Special Case of Stokes Theorem True?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of a specific identity related to Stokes' theorem, particularly in the context of differential geometry and the divergence of vector fields. Participants explore the implications of this identity, its definitions, and its applicability to different dimensional manifolds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the identity \(\int_S (\nabla_\mu X^\mu) \Omega = \int_{\partial S} X \invneg \lrcorner \Omega\) holds true under the definitions provided, particularly regarding the meaning of \(\nabla_\mu\) as a covariant derivative.
  • Others reference Loomis and Sternberg's work to support their understanding of Stokes' theorem and its application to the divergence of vector fields, suggesting that the identity may reduce to the Divergence Theorem under certain conditions.
  • One participant clarifies that the volume form \(\Omega\) must correspond to the Riemannian metric for the covariant derivative to be applicable, indicating that without this specification, the formula could be misleading.
  • Another participant argues that Stokes' theorem applies only to (n-1)-forms on n-dimensional manifolds, raising concerns about its applicability in higher dimensions, such as 4-dimensional manifolds.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of the exterior derivative and how it relates to the divergence, with one participant defining divergence in terms of the volume form and suggesting that this aligns with classical definitions.
  • One participant points out that the differentiation of coefficients in the volume form introduces complexity, particularly with respect to Christoffel symbols in the definition of covariant divergence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and applicability of the identity in question, with no consensus reached regarding its truth or the conditions under which it may hold.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of the volume form and the covariant derivative, as well as the dimensionality of the manifolds involved in the discussion.

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Do you agree that the following identity is true:
<br /> \int_S (\nabla_\mu X^\mu) \Omega = \int_{\partial S} X \invneg \lrcorner \Omega<br />
where \Omega is volume form and X\invneg \lrcorner \Omega
is contraction of volume form with vector X.
 
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From Loomis, Sternberg, "Advanced Calculus", p. 447, where \Omega is the volume form corresponding to density \rho:
 

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Under the appropriate hypotheses, Stokes' theorem says that

\int_S d\omega = \int_{\partial S} \omega.

By definition,

(\mathrm{div}\ X) \Omega = d(X \lrcorner \Omega),

so

\int_S (\mathrm{div}\ X) \Omega = \int_{\partial S} X \lrcorner \Omega.

Assuming your \nabla_\mu X^\mu is the divergence of X, isn't this just the Divergence Theorem?

Sternberg's \iota^* is just pullback along the inclusion map, i.e., restriction of a form on M to the n-1 dimensional submanifold \partial D; instead of a manifold-with-boundary, he's defined D \subset M as a domain in an n-dimensional manifold M. In case you're interested, on p. 109 of his Lectures on Differential Geometry, he gives Stokes' Theorem in the usual way, and on p.119, he gives this same "Stokes' theorem for domains."

Cheers,
Jason
 
Thanks for your replays. Nabla symbol which I used means covariant derivative
and its trace with vector happens to be just divergence of this vector, so my
identity is true.
 
paweld said:
Thanks for your replays. Nabla symbol which I used means covariant derivative
and its trace with vector happens to be just divergence of this vector, so my
identity is true.

Then Omega must be the volume form of the Riemannian metric for which Nabla is the covariant derivative. Without specifying these data your formula may be confusing.
 
arkajad said:
Then Omega must be the volume form of the Riemannian metric for which Nabla is the covariant derivative. Without specifying these data your formula may be confusing.

Yes, you are right.
 
jasomill said:
Under the appropriate hypotheses, Stokes' theorem says that

\int_S d\omega = \int_{\partial S} \omega.

In my understanding, omega must be an (n-1)-form on an n-dimensional differential manifold, and so Stokes theorem does not apply to the question involving integrals of a vector and scalar on, say, manifolds of dimension 4. Is this incorrect?
 
In my understanding, omega must be an (n-1)-form on an n-dimensional differential manifold, and so Stokes theorem does not apply to the question involving integrals of a vector and scalar on, say, manifolds of dimension 4. Is this incorrect?

A volume form on an n-dimensional manifold is, by definition, a nonvanishing n form. Thus X\lrcorner\Omega, as the contraction of a vector field with an n form, is an n-1 form.

In other words, having fed it one vector field, it still expects n-1 more.

The exterior derivative takes k forms to k+1 forms, so d(X\lrcorner\Omega) is another n-1+1=n form. The equation

d(X\lrcorner\Omega) = (\mathrm{div}\ X)\Omega

was not an identity, but my (perfectly sensible) definition of the divergence with respect to this volume form. In other words, since the top exterior power is 1-dimensional, d(X\lrcorner\Omega) must be a scalar multiple of \Omega. I defined the divergence to be this scalar (I didn't write something like \mathrm{div}_\Omega\ X because there was only one volume form in sight).

It's not hard to verify that this agrees with both the classical definition in \mathbb{R}^n, and with the original poster's definition in terms of the metric covariant derivative on a Riemannian manifold.

Perhaps it will clarify things to point out that, in the Riemannian case, if we take \omega to be the induced volume form on the boundary and N to be the outward-pointing unit normal vector field, we also have

<br /> \int_S (\mathrm{div}\ X) \Omega = \int_{\partial S} \langle X, N\rangle \omega.<br />

Cheers,
Jason
 
Perhaps it is also useful to notice that, looking at

<br /> d(X\lrcorner\Omega) = (\mathrm{div}\ X)\Omega<br />

on the left there is a "d" that will also differentiate the coefficients of \Omega in a coordinate basis.
Then one may wonder where are these derivatives on the RHS? The tricky part is that they hide themselves in the Christoffel symbols entering the definition of the covariant divergence!
 

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