Is This System of Equations Solvable?

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The discussion revolves around a system of equations presented in a take-home quiz, specifically examining whether the system is solvable. The equations are analyzed through matrix representation and reduction techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the matrix reduction results, questioning the validity of the quiz problem. Some express skepticism about the simplicity of the problem, while others explore the relationship between the determinant and the existence of solutions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering differing perspectives on the implications of a zero determinant. Some guidance is provided regarding the conditions under which a system may or may not have solutions, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants note the potential for confusion regarding the nature of singular matrices and the conditions for solution existence, highlighting the complexity of interpreting the results of matrix operations in this context.

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Ok am I missing something here or did our professor give us a take-home quiz with a question that has no answer? We needed to find the answer to a system of equations as follows:

4x-8y+3z=16
-x+2y-5z=-21
3x-6y+z=6

I setup the matrix….

[tex] \begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 4 & { - 8} & 3 & {16} \\<br /> { - 1} & 2 & { - 5} & { - 21} \\<br /> 3 & { - 6} & 1 & 6 \\<br /> \end{array}[/tex]

I reduced it down to

[tex] \begin{array}{*{20}c}<br /> 0 & 0 & { - 17} & { - 68} \\<br /> { - 1} & 2 & { - 5} & { - 21} \\<br /> 0 & 0 & { - 14} & { - 57} \\<br /> \end{array}[/tex]

At this point I realized… the equations didn't work. Am I right to think this quiz was given with a bad problem on it?

I even had mathematica reduce it and it gave me 2 rows that tried to say 1 = 0.
 
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Pengwuino said:
At this point I realized… the equations didn't work. Am I right to think this quiz was given with a bad problem on it?

What's wrong with asking for a solution to a system with no solution? Your answer should be something like, "It's a singular matrix, no solution."
 
Well i wouldn't expect something that easy on a quiz...
 
Pengwuino said:
Well i wouldn't expect something that easy on a quiz...

So I guess that makes it a pretty good question for a quiz!:cool:
 
The determinant of the matrix is zero, so there is no solution.
 
A zero determinant of the coefficient matrix doesn't necessarily imply that there are no solutions. If the rank of the coefficient matrix is smaller than the rank of the 'extended matrix' (coefficient matrix + column of constants) then you have a system without a solution.
However, it's possible that although the determinant of the coefficient matrix is zero, the system still has solutions. You will find an infinite number of solutions in that case, the equations were then linearly dependent.
 

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