Is this way of teaching the quadratic solutions really anything new?

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The discussion revolves around a proposed new method for teaching solutions to quadratic equations. Participants explore whether this method offers a novel approach or if it is simply a variation of existing techniques such as the quadratic formula or completing the square. The scope includes theoretical perspectives on teaching methods and their implications for student understanding.

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  • Some participants suggest that the new method is essentially a transposed version of the quadratic formula.
  • Others argue that it reveals a symmetry in the roots that is not immediately obvious, comparing it to the symmetry of complex roots in the complex plane.
  • One participant notes that the method resembles completing the square, which they find intuitive for deriving the quadratic formula.
  • Another participant highlights the idea that the roots are equidistant from half the sum, suggesting this perspective could lead to quicker solutions.
  • Some participants express that while the new method may have benefits for early students, it should not replace traditional methods like completing the square, which have broader applications.
  • A few participants mention that a geometric interpretation of the algebraic process may be beneficial for those less comfortable with algebra, although others find it distracting.
  • One participant shares their experience of using a similar technique in teaching, indicating they did not realize it was a "new process."

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Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the novelty and effectiveness of the new teaching method. Some see value in the approach, while others contend it is not significantly different from existing methods. The discussion remains unresolved on whether this method should be adopted as a primary teaching strategy.

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Participants note that the discussion is limited by personal teaching experiences and preferences, as well as the varying comfort levels with algebraic versus geometric interpretations. There is also mention of unresolved mathematical steps in the context of teaching methods.

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I think its a step beyond or between factoring in the traditional sense and using quadratic formula. It brings out a symmetry in the roots that isn't immediately obvious.

The is not unlike a similar symmetry found in complex roots of a polynomial being equally spaced about a circle in the complex plane aka DeMoivre’s theorem.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Moivre's_formula

i remember using the symmetry in a test because i couldn't remember the formula but did have one real root of the 5th order polynomial and we were to graph the solution.
 
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It looks to me like a disguised process of completing the square, which is (IMO) an intuitive way to solve it or to develop the quadratic formula.
 
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The difference I see though is going to the sum and saying the roots are equidistant from half the sum.

When I learned to factor they didnt teach that instead you were looking for two numbers which summed correctly and when multiplied got the c term. It seems that root summing symmetry gets you to an answer more quickly.
 
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jedishrfu said:
The difference I see though is going to the sum and saying the roots are equidistant from half the sum.
The technique described is not really all that different from what happens in the technique of completing the square. Let's look at an example, such as solving the equation ##x^2 - 4x - 5 = 0##

If we approach this using completing the square, we have
##x^2 - 4x = 5##
##x^2 - 4x + 4 = 5 + 4##
##(x - 2)^2 = 9##
So either x - 2 = 3 or x - 2 = -3, producing the solutions x = 5 or x = -1.
The only difference I see is the substitution of ##u## for ##x - 2##, so ##u^2 = 9 \Rightarrow u = \pm 3##.

Undo the substitution, and you get the same solutions I showed.
 
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Mark44 said:
The technique described is not really all that different from what happens in the technique of completing the square.
It seems like a geometric interpretation of the algebraic process of completing the square. I find the algebraic process to be direct enough that a geometric interpretation is only distracting. But people who are not as comfortable with the algebraic process might benefit from a geometric interpretation.
 
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I can see some benefits for early students in terms connecting it to the parabola axis of symmetry (-b/2a), and also some good practice with difference of two squares expansion/factorization. Also could be useful in introducing students to the concept of substitution of a variable in an equation.

I wouldn't want to fully replace teaching completing the square though, as that's also very useful for things other than solving quadratics. For example putting an integral like this one into a more amenable form.
\int \frac{1}{x^2 - 2x + 10} \, dx = \int \frac{1}{(x-1)^2 + 3^2} \,dx

BTW. I've used this technique many times in the past. Usually in the context of students first learning to factorize simple integer coeff quadratics in the form x^2 + bx + c with the old "sum = b and product = c" method.

After giving the usual simple exercises like x^2 + 8x + 15\, or x^2 + 5x + 6, better students will sometimes ask, "what if you just cannot find any two such numbers with the required sum and product?". The answer I give is that either no such numbers exist (no real roots) or that they exist but are surds and hence more difficult to find. I give an example like x^2 + 6x +7\, and tell them to try (-3+s) and (-3-s), where "s" is the surd to be determined. I never realized I'd found a "new process". :wink:
 
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I find the algebraic process to be direct enough that a geometric interpretation is only distracting. But people who are not as comfortable with the algebraic process might benefit from a geometric interpretation.
I found the simple geometric method to be extremely helpful, to ME at least, if not to other people.
 
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symbolipoint said:
I found the simple geometric method to be extremely helpful, to ME at least, if not to other people.
I'll buy that.
 

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