Is time a unique dimension or a constant across all dimensions?

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The discussion centers around the nature of time in relation to dimensions, specifically whether time is its own unique dimension, a constant across all dimensions, or if there are multiple dimensions of time. Participants explore theoretical implications, observational evidence, and the relationship between time and spatial dimensions.

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  • Some participants argue that time must exist across all dimensions to differentiate them, suggesting that without time, dimensions cannot be defined.
  • Others propose that time is not a dimension but rather a constant that can interact with dimensions, similar to gravity.
  • A few participants assert that time is treated as a dimension in physics, referencing the concept of spacetime as a four-dimensional continuum.
  • There are claims that the mathematical treatment of time as a dimension is complex and may involve concepts like imaginary numbers, which some participants find problematic.
  • Some contributions highlight that dimensions do not necessarily have to be spatial or temporal, suggesting a broader interpretation of what constitutes a dimension.
  • Participants discuss the implications of assuming time is interrelated with spatial dimensions, noting that this could simplify the laws of physics.
  • There are references to the lack of consensus on whether time can be considered a separate dimension or if it is fundamentally different from spatial dimensions.

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Participants express a range of views on the nature of time, with no consensus reached. Some agree that time is treated as a dimension in physics, while others contest this notion, leading to an ongoing debate about the conceptualization of time and dimensions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of integrating mathematical concepts with physical reality, particularly regarding the treatment of time in different theoretical frameworks. There are unresolved questions about the implications of time as a dimension versus a constant.

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Is time its own dimension or is it a constant that remains through all dimensions? Also, are there multiple dimensions of time, and how do we know the answers to these questions?
 
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I do not think its possible for time to be its on dimension. Time would have to exist on all dimensions, because without it, there would be no differentiation between the dimensions.

Maybe it works differently in different dimensions though?
 
tylerfarzam said:
Is time its own dimension or is it a constant that remains through all dimensions? Also, are there multiple dimensions of time, and how do we know the answers to these questions?

Spacepantz86 said:
I do not think its possible for time to be its on dimension. Time would have to exist on all dimensions, because without it, there would be no differentiation between the dimensions.

Maybe it works differently in different dimensions though?

You could both start here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime
 
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tylerfarzam said:
and how do we know the answers to these questions?

We observe the universe, perform experiments, and make new models and theories. Basically ask, "what are the consequences if X is true" and then see if your observations and experiments support this over other possibilities. If there were multiple dimensions of time then there would be some serious consequences that would could observe. But we don't observe these things. All our observations and experiments support the idea that time is a single dimension, just one out of the four total dimensions making up spacetime.

Spacepantz86 said:
I do not think its possible for time to be its on dimension. Time would have to exist on all dimensions, because without it, there would be no differentiation between the dimensions.

To the best of our knowledge, time is a single dimension. Note that I'm using 'dimension' to refer to a particular axis of a coordinate system. I don't mean 'dimension' in the sense of there being alternate dimensions, which might be better described as alternate or parallel universes.
 
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Is time its own dimension or is it a constant that remains through all dimensions? Also, are there multiple dimensions of time, and how do we know the answers to these questions?
Undoubtedly Time is not a dimension but like gravity Time is the only thing that can move across dimensions
 
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Drakkith said:
To the best of our knowledge, time is a single dimension. Note that I'm using 'dimension' to refer to a particular axis of a coordinate system. I don't mean 'dimension' in the sense of there being alternate dimensions, which might be better described as alternate or parallel universes.

I am always surprised that people accept so quickly that time is a dimension. It should not be forgotten that only with ##it## will we get a number that behaves like a spatial dimension in many ways. However, without the ##i## multiplier, it is impossible to include time as the fourth dimension besides the three spatial dimensions. The ##i## itself has a lot of unique features.

So if anyone asked me this, I'd answer him, but don't forget about imaginary ##i##.
 
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klocke said:
Undoubtedly Time is not a dimension but like gravity Time is the only thing that can move across dimensions

This is nonsense. Time is treated as a dimension in physics, and your statement about moving across dimensions is vague and probably meaningless. Since you appear to be a new member, please note that PF does not allow personal theories or ideas that fall outside of mainstream science. You can find a list of the rules under the 'INFO' dropdown menu at the top of the page.
 
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Drakkith said:
This is nonsense. Time is treated as a dimension in physics, and your statement about moving across dimensions is vague and probably meaningless. Since you appear to be a new member, please note that PF does not allow personal theories or ideas that fall outside of mainstream science. You can find a list of the rules under the 'INFO' dropdown menu at the top of the page.

Interestingly, the article on the physical concept of time in Encyclopedia Britannica begins with time as a continuum with no spatial dimension.
 
Periwinkle said:
Interestingly, the article on the physical concept of time in Encyclopedia Britannica begins with time as a continuum with no spatial dimension.

Of course. Time is a non-spatial dimension, as it has to be.
 
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Periwinkle said:
However, without the ##it## multiplier, it is impossible to include time as the fourth dimension besides the three spatial dimensions.
That's not quite right; not only is it possible, but ##it## is one of the first things you unlearn as you move from special relativity to general relativity. There's a short section in MTW entitled "Farewell to ##ict##" in which the authors explain why our "old friend ##ict##... must be put to the sword".

The ##ict## trick has the modest virtue of making Lorentz boosts in flat four-dimensional spacetime look formally like rotations in four-dimensional Euclidean space, but that's not necessary for treating time as a dimension and it gets in the way when we're working with curved spacetimes modeled by pseudo-Riemannian geometry.
 
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There's been a lot of nonsense spouted here.

I do not think its possible for time to be its on dimension.
Time would have to exist on all dimensions
Undoubtedly Time is not a dimension but like gravity Time is the only thing that can move across dimensions
I am always surprised that people accept so quickly that time is a dimension.

The very first sentence in the wiki article that @PeroK cited in post #3 says:
n physics, spacetime is any mathematical model that fuses the three dimensions of space and the concept of time into a single four-dimensional continuum.
Some sources distinguish the three spatial dimensions, the x, y, and z of Euclidean space, and the temporal dimension, time.
 
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If we assume time is inextricably interrelated to the 3 dimensions of space (in a specific way) then the laws of physics become simpler and more unified. At the same time, a theory that rules out the existence of dimensions beyond those four has not yet been developed.
 
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Periwinkle said:
I am always surprised that people accept so quickly that time is a dimension. It should not be forgotten that only with ##it## will we get a number that behaves like a spatial dimension in many ways.

Dimensions do not have to be spatial. There are many examples of dimensions that are neither spatial nor temporal.
 
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Mister T said:
Dimensions do not have to be spatial. There are many examples of dimensions that are neither spatial nor temporal.

Mathematics and physical reality should not be combined. Mathematics knows Hilbert space of infinite dimension, but no one thinks that the physical space itself would be an endless dimension. Of course, I also know, for example, that general theory of relativity uses a space concept in which physical spatial and temporal relationships only appear as spatial relationships. However, time in these geometries also plays a unique role.

The dimension itself is an entirely geometric concept. Until there is no other direct concept of geometry than the three-dimensional Euclidean space experienced, the time as a dimension is challenging to accept. Minkowski also faced this. He believed that switching from the three-dimensional Euclidean to the four-dimensional, by analogy, was acceptable, and if the time were represented by ##cit## quantities, the unification of space and time would be even more evident. (I remember he wrote that space and time as a separate reality will disappear forever.)

So, for example, I can personally accept so much that time is a separate dimension, as much as I assume Hilbert space is space. In a mathematical sense, this is undoubtedly the case.
 
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Periwinkle said:
Mathematics and physical reality should not be combined.

The dimension itself is an entirely geometric concept.

By that argument "dimension" is a mathematical concept, with a mathematical definition. Space and a 3D geometry are related by a mathematical relationship. When we say space is 3D, we mean space is modeled by a 3D mathematical space. And when we say spacetime is 4D we mean that spacetime is modeled by a 4D mathematical space.

And, if you say that spacetime is 3+1 dimensional - by acknowledging the +++- nature of the metric - all you're doing is adding a bit more information to the definition of a dimension.

In any case, you are saying nothing of any physical significance.
 

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