Black Holes: Time Bidirectional?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of time and space within black holes, specifically the idea that time may be bidirectional inside a black hole while space remains one-directional. Participants explore the implications of this idea and seek clarification on the topic.

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  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions a YouTube video claiming that time is bidirectional inside a black hole, allowing movement to both the future and the past, while space is one-directional.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the YouTube claim, asserting that it is incorrect and suggesting that YouTube is not a reliable source for scientific learning.
  • A technical explanation is provided regarding the Schwarzschild coordinates, indicating that while the same labels are used for time and space inside and outside a black hole, their meanings differ, leading to potential misconceptions about time travel.
  • An analogy is drawn comparing the situation inside a black hole to navigating directions on the surface of the Earth, emphasizing that the interpretation of coordinates can change based on context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial claim about bidirectional time. There is disagreement regarding the interpretation of time and space within black holes, with some participants supporting the technical explanation while others question the original assertion.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of interpreting spacetime metrics and the potential for misunderstanding when using coordinate labels. The reliance on popular media for scientific concepts is also critiqued.

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I just watched a youtube video saying that somewhere in a black hole, time is bidirectional (can go to the future and can go to the passed), but space is one-directional.

Any introduction material on this subject?

Thanks in advance!
 
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mousheng xu said:
I just watched a youtube video

YouTube is not a good source for learning science.

mousheng xu said:
somewhere in a black hole, time is bidirectional (can go to the future and can go to the passed), but space is one-directional.

This is not correct. Which is a good illustration of why YouTube is not a good source for learning science.

mousheng xu said:
Any introduction material on this subject?

There are plenty of good textbooks on General Relativity out there. Sean Carroll's lecture notes on GR are online and covers the basics of black holes:

https://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/9712019
 
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mousheng xu said:
I just watched a youtube video saying that somewhere in a black hole, time is bidirectional (can go to the future and can go to the passed), but space is one-directional.
If you write down the metric (the mathematical object describing the "shape" of spacetime) outside a black hole using Schwarzschild coordinates, and repeat the exercise inside, you find that they look the same. It's natural enough to use the same coordinate label inside and outside since the maths looks the same. But it turns out if you do that then outside you are using the letter ##t## to describe your position in time and the letter ##r## to describe your position in space, but inside the hole you are using ##t## to describe your position in space and ##r## to describe your position in time.

The important thing to realize is: just because I label something ##t## does not mean it's actually time. The universe does not care what letters I use. Your YouTuber has not realized this (or has chosen to ignore it for coolness factor).

So yes, inside the black hole I can freely increase or decrease my ##t## coordinate, but my ##r## coordinate always increases. But this is because I'm using ##t## to describe my place in space and ##r## to describe my place in time, not because I'm free to travel backwards in time.

An analogy to this can be made on the surface of the Earth. Face north. Now north is forwards, south is backwards, east is right and west is left. Take a step forward. Same thing - north is forwards, etc. Keep stepping forwards. Eventually you reach the north pole, where every direction is south. One more step and the pole is behind you - so suddenly north is backwards, south is forwards, east is left and west is right. You can now take to YouTube and make videos about how it's impossible to move forward at the north pole (because north is forward and every direction is south) and that forward and backward change meaning when you go through the north pole! Or you can just realize that north doesn't always mean forwards.
 
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