Is Time Dilation Relative in Special Relativity Experiments?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the nature of time dilation in the context of special relativity, particularly whether time dilation is a relative phenomenon or if it can be considered objective based on experimental evidence. Participants explore various scenarios, including those involving GPS satellites, muon decay, and hypothetical clock synchronization in different frames of reference.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that time dilation is relative, as evidenced by experiments like GPS satellite timing and muon decay, which show that different observers can measure different elapsed times.
  • Others propose that time dilation can be shown to be non-relative through scenarios involving synchronized clocks in different frames, suggesting that if a moving clock shows less elapsed time than stationary clocks, it must be objectively slower.
  • A specific scenario is presented where three clocks are synchronized: two stationary (A and B) and one moving (C). It is argued that if clock C is slower than B, it must also be slower than A, implying non-relativity of time dilation.
  • Counterarguments highlight that the scenario does not definitively prove non-relativity, as the perspective of clock C would yield a different conclusion about the relative rates of A and B.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the implications of the twin paradox and how it relates to the understanding of time dilation in various experimental contexts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether time dilation is relative or non-relative. Multiple competing views are presented, with some supporting the relativity of time dilation and others arguing for its objectivity based on specific scenarios.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about synchronization and reference frames, which may not be universally accepted. The implications of the twin paradox and the role of periodic motion in defining time dilation are also points of contention.

  • #61
objecta99 said:
Can an Inertial Reference Frame X compare the velocities of objects Y and Z, relative to X's frame of reference, such that either Y's velocity is greater then Z or Z's velocity is greater than Y's?
Velocity is a vector and vector spaces are not ordered sets so they don't have a "greater than" operation. Speed is a positive real number which is an ordered set so it does have a "greater than" operation. So no, you cannot compare velocity that way, but yes, you can compare speed that way.
 
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  • #62
Thanx Dalespam, that's a very clear way of understanding it. Thanx PeterDonis, sorry for the lack of paragraphs. Thanx Nugatory. I may have succeeded in asking one of the lamest questions (repeatedly) on this forum. Glad to see that it was a nonsensical question by the definition of relative velocity. 'twas a Poor question in one sense, but it had some pedagogical value for me.
 

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