Is Vector w in the Range of Matrix A?

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The discussion revolves around determining whether a vector w is in the range of a linear transformation defined by a matrix A. The matrix A is presented alongside the vector w, and the original poster attempts to establish a relationship between them through a system of equations derived from the matrix-vector multiplication.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conditions under which a vector is in the range of a matrix, referencing the need for a solution to the equation A*v = w. There are mentions of checking the determinant of A to infer properties about its range, as well as exploring the implications of the column space of A.

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Some participants have provided insights into the mathematical reasoning behind the problem, including the relationship between the determinant and the range of the matrix. There is acknowledgment of the original poster's approach, though no consensus has been reached regarding the existence of a solution to the equations presented.

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There is a suggestion that the formatting of the matrix and vector could be improved for clarity, indicating potential challenges in communication. The discussion also highlights the importance of determining whether the determinant of A is zero, which would affect the analysis of the range.

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L: R^3 -> R^3 is a linear transformation defined by L(v) =A(v)
A is given as -1 2 0 and w= 1
1 1 1 2
2 -1 1 -1

is w in the range of L?

My understanding is that if a vector exists such that the product of A and this vector = W then it is in the range. I then have the following equations:

-X +2Y = 1
X+Y+Z= 2
2X -Y+Z= -1

no solutions exists, so w is not in the range. Can someone confirm this or offer any other insight?

thanks
 
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bit hard to read is A given as:
A = \begin{bmatrix} -1 & 2 & 0\\ 1 & 1 & 1 \\ 2 & -1 & 1 \end{bmatrix}
 
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what you've done sounds reasonable, though i haven't checked the math,

note so what you are trying to solve is:
A \textbf{x} = \textbf{x}

If A was invertible a solution must exist given by:
\textbf{x} = A^{-1} \textbf{x}
so you could check that det(A) = 0

Now, consider the action of A on a unit vector:
\textbf{e}_1 = (1,0,0)^T
A\textbf{e}_1 = \textbf{a}_1
where \textbf{a}_1 is the first column vector of A

Now every vector can be wirtten in terms of the basis of unit vectors, so the range of A is in fact the column space of A. So in effect you are checking w is not in the column space of A.
 
Internet readers do not respect spaces so better to use LaTex.

If
A= \begin{bmatrix}-1 & 2 & 0 \\ 1 & 1 & 1 \\ 2 & - 1 & 1\end{bmatrix}
and
w= \begin{bmatrix} 1 \\ 2 \\ -1\end{bmatrix}

is w in the range of A?
That will be true if and only if there exist x, y, z such that
\begin{bmatrix}-1 &amp; 2 &amp; 0 \\ 1 &amp; 1 &amp; 1 \\ 2 &amp; - 1 &amp; 1\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x \\ y \\ z\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix} 1 \\ 2 \\ -1\end{bmatrix}[/itex]<br /> (Click on those to see the code.)<br /> <br /> That can be written as the three equations, -x+ 2y= 1, x+ y+ z= 2, 2x- y+ z= -1.<br /> <br /> IF those three equations have a solution (not necessarily unique) then w is in the range of A.<br /> <br /> It might be simpler to check the determinant of A. If the determinant is not 0, the range of A is all of R^3 and so <b>any</b> w is in it.<br /> <br /> If the determinant of a is 0, then you would have to check if w is in the &quot;columns space&quot;. In that case, it is probably simpler to solve the three equations above.
 

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