Is what katz say right for university jobs in engineering too?

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Jonathan Katz's perspective on the challenges of pursuing university jobs in science, particularly in mathematics and physics, is applicable to engineering fields as well. The discussion emphasizes the competitive nature of academia and the uncertainty of securing a professorship post-PhD, especially in mechanical engineering. Participants highlight the importance of obtaining a well-paying job before pursuing academic interests to mitigate financial pressures. While Katz's assertions about the scarcity of industrial jobs in physical sciences are debated, the consensus acknowledges the difficulties faced by graduates in securing stable academic positions.

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hello
i was reading JONATHAN KATZ topic about not becoming a scientists here:

http://wuphys.wustl.edu/~katz/scientist.html

what he says is just right about university jobs in math and physics or it is right for university jobs in engineering too?
i mean if someone gets his Phd degree in mechanical engineering and wants to go for university job he will have all the hardships Katz says?

thanks
 
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gholamghar said:
hello
i was reading JONATHAN KATZ topic about not becoming a scientists here:

http://wuphys.wustl.edu/~katz/scientist.html

what he says is just right about university jobs in math and physics or it is right for university jobs in engineering too?
i mean if someone gets his Phd degree in mechanical engineering and wants to go for university job he will have all the hardships Katz says?

thanks

Yeah, pretty much spot on. The advice I always give is: Get a good paying occupation first so that you can learn science later. If you don't have a good (high paying) job, you may not have the time and money later to finish learning what you love--so you'd have neither high pay nor the education you wanted. And a little extra money is nice for other things too.
 
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I've seen this link posted here before. This essay is based on a single professor's personal opinion, and there are many who disagree with him. He makes assertions such as: "there are hardly any industrial jobs in the physical sciences" without backing them up with any data.

There are truths in what he says. Academia is very competative. There is no guarantee that if you make it through graduate school that there will be a professorship waiting for you at the end. It's difficult to live on a typical post-doctoral salary.

However, I don't think the situation is that bleak.
 

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