Isometry Functions on the Real Numbers

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The discussion revolves around identifying isometries from the real numbers to themselves, specifically functions that satisfy the condition |f(x) - f(y)| = |x - y| for all x, y in R. Participants are exploring the implications of differentiability and continuity in relation to these isometries.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of differentiability on the form of isometries, with one suggesting that isometries could be represented as either linear or negated linear functions. Others question the assumptions made regarding limits and continuity, and explore the relationship between Lipschitz continuity and the behavior of isometries.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering counterexamples and refining their understanding of the conditions under which isometries operate. There is a recognition of the complexities involved, particularly regarding continuity and differentiability, and how these affect the conclusions drawn about the functions in question.

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Some participants note the potential for non-continuous isometries and the implications of Lipschitz conditions on the behavior of the functions being analyzed. There is also mention of specific mathematical properties, such as the mean value theorem and the implications of absolute values in the context of isometries.

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Homework Statement


Find all isometries from the reals to itself.

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Well what we're basically doing is trying to find functions f: R -> R such that for any x, y in R, the property |f(x) - f(y)| = |x-y| holds.

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OK, so this shouldn't be too hard. It seems like you could just plug in 0 for one of the variables above and then you're basically done. But can't we prove differentiability as follows?

[tex]|f'(y)| = \lim_{x \rightarrow y}\left|\frac{f(x) - f(y)}{x-y}\right| = \lim_{x \rightarrow y}\frac{|x-y|}{|x-y|} = 1.[/tex]

This seems to immediately imply that the functions are defined by either i(x) = x + C or j(x) = - x + K for arbitrary real numbers C or K. Are there any holes I overlooked?
 
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Well, the equation

[tex] \lim_{x \rightarrow y}\left|\frac{f(x) - f(y)}{x-y}\right| = 1.[/tex]

doesn't actually imply

[tex] \lim_{x \rightarrow y}\frac{f(x) - f(y)}{x-y} \in \{ 1, -1 \}[/tex]

The best you can say is that the set of limit points of (f(x)-f(y))/(x-y) as x->y is a subset of {1, -1}.
 
that would be true for continuous isometries
say
f(x)=f(y)+(x-y)g(x,y)
all we would know is
|g|=1
we might have say
g=-1 x rational
g=1 x irrational
 
I understand your counterexample for noncontinuous isometries, but this one is lipschitz and hence uniformly continuous, so is there a way to extend the original argument?

*EDIT* The reason I pursued this approach in the original place is because I proved that [itex]|f(x) - f(y)| \leq (x-y)^2[/itex] for x,y in R implies that f is constant. In this case, you end up with |f'(y)| = 0, so we can just be rid of the absolute values and then recall the corollary to the mean value theorem. But it seems that I did not have to work with absolute values in the first place, since |a| = |b| implies that a = -b or a = b. However, I am aware of the concerns raised, so I am curious as to whether continuity - which we seem to have - can fix the original argument.

Bah, upon closer examination of lurflurf's point, it doesn't matter whether f is continuous or not. Hmm well I think I have a better understanding of when to try something like this and when you can just substitute variables. Thanks.
 
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