Iterated Integrals - setting up limits of integration

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The discussion revolves around finding the volume of the region under the graph of the function f(x,y) = x+y and above the region defined by the inequalities y²≤x and 0≤x≤9. Participants are exploring the appropriate limits of integration for a double integral.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the integration limits for y based on the given inequalities and question whether their reasoning is correct. There is mention of integrating x from 0 to 9 and considerations of the shape of the region defined by the inequalities.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the integration setup, suggesting that the region is not rectangular and emphasizing the importance of visualizing the area. There is an exploration of different methods of integration, including the possibility of reversing the order of integration.

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Participants note the need to consider the shape of the region defined by y²≤x and the vertical line at x=9, as well as the implications of these boundaries on the limits of integration. There is also a reference to a similar problem involving switching the order of integration.

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Homework Statement



Find the volume of the region under the graph of f(x,y) = x+y and above the region y2≤x, 0≤x≤9

The Attempt at a Solution



From these equations, x will be integrated from 0-9, but I'm not sure about y.

My thinking is that y will be intgrated from 0-3 because y2≤x and the smallest value of x is 0, and the square root of 0 is 0, so that is the smallest y, and the largest x value possible is 9 and the positive quare root of 9 is 3, so this is the largest value of y,
So I would integrate:

∫0-9∫0-3 (x+y)dydx.

Is this correct or am I missing something, where the limits of integration also involve using f(x,y)?
 
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mirandasatterley said:

Homework Statement



Find the volume of the region under the graph of f(x,y) = x+y and above the region y2≤x, 0≤x≤9

The Attempt at a Solution



From these equations, x will be integrated from 0-9, but I'm not sure about y.

My thinking is that y will be intgrated from 0-3 because y2≤x and the smallest value of x is 0, and the square root of 0 is 0, so that is the smallest y, and the largest x value possible is 9 and the positive quare root of 9 is 3, so this is the largest value of y,
So I would integrate:

∫0-9∫0-3 (x+y)dydx.

Is this correct or am I missing something, where the limits of integration also involve using f(x,y)?
No, that is not correct. The region a\le x\le b, c\le y\le d, with a, b, c, d numbers is always a rectangle and the figure here is not a rectangle. But the bounds do NOT involve f(x,y)- that is a "z" value and goes inside the integral as you have it.

Always draw a picture for problems like this. y^2= x is a parabola, of course, "on its side". The line x= 9 is a vertical line crossing the parabola at (9,3) and at (9, -3). Yes, you can integrate with x going from 0 to 9. On your picture, mark an arbitrary "x" by marking a point on the x-axis between 0 and 9. Now draw a vertical line from one boundary to the other. The y bounds, for that x, are y values of those endpoints: (x, -\sqrt{x}), and (x, -\sqrt{x}). Your integral is
\int{x=0}^9\int_{y=-\sqrt{x}}^{\sqrt{x}} f(x)dy dx= \int{x=0}^9\int_{y=-\sqrt{x}}^{\sqrt{x}}(x+ y) dy dx

Of course, like any double integral, you can reverse the order of integration. If you look at your picture you will see that y ranges, overall, from -3 to 3. Draw a horizontal line across the parabola, representing an arbitrary value of y in that range. It will have left endpoint on the parabola: x= y^2, and right endpoint on the vertical line x= 9. Those will now be the limits of integration for this order:
\int_{y= -3}^3\int_{x= y^2}^9 f(x,y)dx dy= \int_{y= -3}^3\int_{x= y^2}^9(x+ y)dx dy

Try it both ways. You should get the same answer.
 
In a similar situation where i have to switch the order of integration from
∫0-3∫y2-9 f(x,y) dxdy to dydx,

Is this also a parabola on it's side, with intercepts through (3,9) and (0,9), meaning that I would be setting up the new limits of integration, fro the portion of the parabola above y=0?
 
So, ∫0-9∫Square root of x -3 f(x,y) dydx
 

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