Fukushima Japan earthquake - contamination & consequences outside Fukushima NPP

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The French IRSN has released a report detailing contamination levels around the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, highlighting cesium contamination based on SPEEDI/MEXT estimations. Concerns have been raised about the transparency and accuracy of radiation projections, with some questioning the reliability of data from the IAEA and Japanese agencies. The discussion emphasizes the emotional impact on the Japanese population, particularly regarding safety standards for children exposed to radiation. There are ongoing debates about the adequacy of current radiation limits and the effectiveness of monitoring efforts. Overall, the conversation reflects significant distrust in the reporting and management of nuclear contamination issues.
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  • #542
Does anyone here know anything about the levels of I-129 deposition from this event? Or about the ratio of I-131 to I-129 released?

Is I-129 a significant health hazard? I doubt it unless massive amounts were inhaled/consumed.

Thanks in advance to all of you, my nerdly brethren.
 
  • #543
Scientists in New Zealand are voicing concerns after monitoring the muttonbird population as it travels back from spending the northern summer in Japan. In 2005, scientists attached tracking devices to a portion of the bird population. The New Zealand “muttonbirders” have been concerned ever since the Fukushima plant started leaking radiation last March.

The birds return to New Zealand every November to mate, but Department of Conservation researcher Graeme Taylor says the birds that did return were in a poor condition.

http://enformable.com/2012/05/new-zealand-scientists-concerns-over-most-unusual-event-in-20-years-of-studies/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
 
  • #544
http://radioactivity.mext.go.jp/ja/contents/6000/5197/24/191_0511.pdf Helicopter maps of Kyūshū and Okinawa.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20120514/1030_nezumi.html 3100 Bq/kg in akanezumi (Japanese field mice) taken in Kawauchi (Fukushima prefecture, 30 km away from plant, 3.11 microsievert/hour external exposure), and 790 Bq/kg in those from Kita-Ibaraki (Ibaraki prefecture, 70 km away from the plant, 0.2 microsievert/hour). The mice were taken in mountains and forests in October and December 2011 by specialists of the Forestry and Forest Products Research Institute (Tsukuba city).
 
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  • #545
nikkkom said:
I am confused. You proposed to not bother with decontamination and wait for decay. Now you say something different: that you don't want to wait. So what are you saying?

As it appears to be quite difficult to collect the radioactive stuff that was distributed over a large area, there is simply no other choice than to wait for support from decay.
nikkkom said:
First, decontamination apparatus seem to be working well enough, in fact.

Second, technology exists to deal with even MUCH worse materials - the water from Fukushima basements is nothing compared to the first stage of nuclear fuel reprocessing. Ask French and/or Brits, they have it running for decades.

Obviously not, because if the water would be clean, they could simply discharge it into the ocean (what they will have to do at a certain point in time anyway). So either this technology is not available in Fukushima for some reason, or doesn't work at this scale with this large quantities of contaminated water. At my former company we installed 8 tanks with a volume of 2000 m3 each and I can tell you they were already huge...

IMHO they are just entering new territory an many cases. Think about the sludge from the water decontamination apparatus with highly radioactive material. Where to store it? Do they have to cool the vessels? What about corrosion due to salt water? Questions upon questions.
 
  • #546
Yamanote said:
Think about the sludge from the water decontamination apparatus with highly radioactive material. Where to store it? Do they have to cool the vessels? What about corrosion due to salt water? Questions upon questions.

They are storing it on site in above-ground tanks. The used filters are also stored on site. From the numbers they publish, it appears the water is much cleaner now than when they started. No, the sludge does not need cooling. I don't know about corrosion, but I'd expect they are lining the tank(s?) with some polymer or another.
 
  • #547
Yamanote said:
Second, technology exists to deal with even MUCH worse materials - the water from Fukushima basements is nothing compared to the first stage of nuclear fuel reprocessing. Ask French and/or Brits, they have it running for decades.

Obviously not, because if the water would be clean, they could simply discharge it into the ocean (what they will have to do at a certain point in time anyway).

I'm interested in facts: with what exactly the "cleaned" water is still contaminated above allowable limits.

I heard one of the hard to remove contaminants is tritium.

If it's the only above-limits contaminant, I'd say "screw it, dump it in the ocean now". Tritium is one of the least-harmless radioisotopes.

So either this technology is not available in Fukushima for some reason, or doesn't work at this scale with this large quantities of contaminated water.

Large quantities can be made smaller by distillation etc.
 
  • #548
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20120524/index.html The World Health organization has published its report. It is based on the assumption that people did not evacuate and it ignores the food regulations.

http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2012/9789241503662_eng.pdf

Page 63:
"In Fukushima prefecture the estimated effective doses are within a dose band of 1−10 mSv, except in two of the example locations where the effective doses are estimated to be within a dose band of 10–50 mSv.

In prefectures neighbouring Fukushima, the estimated effective doses are within a dose band of 0.1−10 mSv, and in all other prefectures the effective doses are estimated to be within a dose band of 0.1−1 mSv"

Page 33: "Measured levels of activity in marketed rice harvested in 2011 were available in August and September 2011 and none of the reported levels was above the limit of detection"

But we know that rice above detection level was harvested in Fukushima prefecture, although it was mostly not sold, or in rare cases recalled from the shops (see https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3757864&postcount=489 ). The contamination of the rice harvest was found in November (beginning with the Oonami district in Fukushima City : https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3623896&postcount=438 ). The reason why the WHO report ignores the rice harvest's contamination could be that it is "based on data available to the panel up to September 2011." (WHO report, p. 63)They don't seem to take the nuclear workers who worked at the plant into account (although their number is 23,000 http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20120508/index.html ).
 
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  • #550
A small question.

On the MEXT site there are those reports about "Results of monitoring the environmental radioactivity level of fallout".

Is this 'fallout' means newly released radioactive particles, or 'just' plainly "radioactivity measured in stuff captured high above the ground"?
 
  • #551
Rive said:
A small question.

On the MEXT site there are those reports about "Results of monitoring the environmental radioactivity level of fallout".

Is this 'fallout' means newly released radioactive particles, or 'just' plainly "radioactivity measured in stuff captured high above the ground"?

On the face of it, they are daily deposition rate measurements (unit Bq/m2), not accumulated. I imagine they measure the radioactivity of captured deposition on discs representing a known surface area. They appear to change discs daily. It wouldn't be possible to distinguish between newly released and and not newly released particles.
 
  • #552
MadderDoc said:
On the face of it, they are daily deposition rate measurements (unit Bq/m2), not accumulated. I imagine they measure the radioactivity of captured deposition on discs representing a known surface area. They appear to change discs daily. It wouldn't be possible to distinguish between newly released and and not newly released particles.

Is there any visual map or so about these measurements?

The only way I think up to distinguish between the new release and the locally re-mobilized particles is to check if the 'fallout' relates to the wind and distance of the NPP or to the local contamination. What do you think about this?
 
  • #553
Rive said:
Is there any visual map or so about these measurements?

The only way I think up to distinguish between the new release and the locally re-mobilized particles is to check if the 'fallout' relates to the wind and distance of the NPP or to the local contamination. What do you think about this?

New release would be best measured close to the source. Barred the possibility that new release would be of more recent fission products, I can see no possibility to make the distinction from a distance whether a radioactive particle has come directly from the source or by a number of hops between waystations.
 
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I have friends who live in Nihonmatsu and they've told me it's now leaking badly into the water table.., fish have been found around the coast of the US "glowing" if it may from the Fukishima melt down.
 
  • #555


benny61 said:
I have friends who live in Nihonmatsu and they've told me it's now leaking badly into the water table.., fish have been found around the coast of the US "glowing" if it may from the Fukishima melt down.
Not surprisingly google reports no hits re "glowing fish" off the US coast.
 
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benny61 said:
I have friends who live in Nihonmatsu and they've told me it's now leaking badly into the water table..

How do they see that? Did they do measurements?
I mean, the whole plant is leaking radioactivity since March 11th 2011, so in general this is no news.
benny61 said:
fish have been found around the coast of the US "glowing" if it may from the Fukishima melt down.

What do you mean with "glowing fishes" in the US?

I don't understand your post.
 
  • #557


mheslep said:
Not surprisingly google reports no hits re "glowing fish" off the US coast.

Doesn't seem to have anything about Nihonmatsu water table either, in English or Japanese...

So...people in the city know something they can only find out from high tech analysis, but no one thought to tell anyone with access to a news outlet. Hmm...
 
  • #558


The fish report presumably reflects the US research recently published that indicates increased radioactivity in tuna caught off the west coast. The scale of the contamination however was small, but it was a detectable increase from earlier.
Radioactive water contamination migrating inland by many kilometers however would be a material development.
 
  • #559


benny61 said:
I have friends who live in Nihonmatsu and they've told me it's now leaking badly into the water table.., fish have been found around the coast of the US "glowing" if it may from the Fukishima melt down.


I strongly can not believe that without any real evidence or source. There have been no "glowing" fish off the west coast of the USA. There is no cover up... get over yourself.
 
  • #560
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20120612/1620_yukidoke.html the forestry and forest products research institute surveyed the water generated by melted snow in rivers in 6 locations in Fukushima prefecture mountains. Cesium was detected in 3 locations (Date, Nihonmatsu and Iitate), the highest being 5.9 Bq/l in an Iitate river. 97% of the measurements are below 1 Bq/l of cesium. They conclude that the consequences of melted snow on agricultural land is small.
 
  • #561
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/0311disaster/fukushima/AJ201206140067 "There are two major theories on why the cyanobacteria in the black soil has such high levels of radiation, but nothing has been confirmed."
 
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  • #562
(This has been cross-posted)
I attended the talk at Temple Univ. in Tokyo on Tues. night (July 3), at which Dr. Ryu Hayano, Nicholas Sternsdorff, and Satsuki Takahashi spoke. I was particularly interested in hearing what Dr. Hayano had to say, because he has been spearheading many important efforts in Fukushima, such as measuring the radiation in school lunches and measuring people's internal contamination with whole body counters. His name has come up quite often here. His work has been extremely conscientious and reliable, and has brought him into conflict with the government and his university at several points. His presentation was a model of clarity, and he engaged the audience very well by dotting it with questions which we answered by holding up sheets of paper with "T" or "F." *Such as, "About 10% of food from Fukushima has exceeded the 100Bq/kg standard," *(F, only 2%), and "No milk from Fukushima has been shown to be contaminated" (T, none has). His slides are available here:

http://www.slideshare.net/safecast/temple-u-20120703

Hopefully a video of his talk will be posted soon as as well. I'd like to give a brief summary of what he said.

--Their WBC measurements in Minamisoma and Hirata have been very extensive and accurately performed. *Between Nov 2011 and May 2012 they've measured about 10,000 people. In Hirata, about 15,000 people have been measured. The vast majority have shown no internal contamination. The levels of others has been extremely low compared to people in Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus 5-10 years after the Chernobyl accident. In fact the levels are much lower than the average internal contamination of Japanese people measured in 1964 at the height of nuclear weapons testing. More on that below.

--He spoke a lot about calibration issues and how they solved them. He said that around the end of last year, CRMS, who had been conducting WBC measurements in Fukushima, was about to release a report claiming that the entire population of Fukushima had 20Bq/kg of internal cesium contamination. Dr. Hayano insisted on re-analyzing the data himself to see if their measurements were accurate or not. By calibrating their machine with a plastic "phantom" known to have 0Bq/kg, he determined that their reading of "20" should have been "0." He likened it to using a scale that was set to "20kg" when no weight was on it to weigh people. So the internal contamination of almost everyone CRMS had measured was 0Bq/kg! *This has been borne out in subsequent measurements. (Imagine what we'd be dealing with if CRMS had released that report!)

--They have remeasured everyone who showed internal contamination after a period of months, and based on that have shown that in almost every case people's body burden of cesium has been sharply decreasing; the slopes of the decrease indicate that most of these people are consuming close to 0 Bq/day. Therefore he concludes that the food screening has been very effective. *Of 10,000 people only 2 showed an increase between Nov 2011-May 2012, and they were farmers who have been eating a lot of their own food.

-- "Duplicate portion" measurements of food were conducted with 100 families in Fukushima in April 2012. Only 10 consumed any contaminated food; of those, only one family received more than 10Bq/kg --12 Bq/kg to be exact (the natural radioactive potassium each family consumed however ranged from about 20-50 Bq/kg). Based on the WBC measurements and these studies he expects that very few people in Fukushima will have more than 0.01mSv/yr internal exposure. This is so vastly lower than the 100mSv/yr risk level or even the stricter 10mSv/yr level promoted by others, that he concludes that "there is no health risk." This is an unpopular stance as we all know, but it's based on very solid measurements.

--Only 2% of the 53,000 food samples tested by local gov'ts since the new 100 Bq/kg standards came into effect have exceeded this standard. *No milk from Fukushima has been shown to be contaminated yet; no contamination has been found in school lunches in Minamisoma since they started measuring them in Jan 2012.

--On the other hand, soil in Fukushima is very contaminated, and items like wild boar, wild berries, etc. show high levels, so people will have to be very careful to continue effective monitoring for years to come.

--Because the internal contamination has been so low, he thinks that external contamination may present a relatively greater risk (but still very small). Based on glass badge results from Fukushima City, Minamisoma City, Koriyama City, and Soma City, most people there are receiving less than 1mSv/yr.

--In 1964, due to nuclear testing, the entire population of Japan was consuming 5 Bq/kg of Cs137 in their food every day, and this continued for over a year, with average body burdens of 550 Bq. This is much greater than the average levels they have seen in Fukushima so far. He suggested that the exposure in 1964 has not been directly linked to any measurable increase in illness, even after almost 50 years, and that the Fukushima exposures will not either.

--Afterward, I asked him his opinion about the recent WHO report on exposures, and he got very agitated and said it was terrible, because it overestimated exposures so blatantly. *He will be bringing his findings to the UN in a few weeks to push for the data to be included in the WHO Fukushima health risk report due out in a few months.
 
  • #563
http://radioactivity.mext.go.jp/ja/contents/6000/5269/24/203_0518.pdf.pdf Shikoku helicopter map
http://radioactivity.mext.go.jp/ja/contents/6000/5445/24/203_0608Kin.pdf Kinki region helicopter map
http://radioactivity.mext.go.jp/ja/contents/6000/5515/24/203_0615.pdf Chugoku region helicopter map
 
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  • #566
tsutsuji said:
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2012/ee/c2ee22019a John E. Ten Hoeve and Mark Z. Jacobson, "Worldwide health effects of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident", Energy Environ. Sci., 2012, Advance Article, DOI: 10.1039/C2EE22019A, Received 23 Apr 2012, Accepted 26 Jun 2012.

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/trying-to-tally-fukushima/ Some comments about the above article.

Thanks for the links, Tsutsuji.
The paper has generated a lot of commentary. Quite a few people I know have dismissed the mortality and morbidity findings as impossibly low, while quite a few others think they are wildly over-stated. For those who haven't read it yet, the authors predict between 15 to 1,300 cancer mortalities (with a mean of 130) and from 24 to 2,500 cancer cases (with a mean of 180). They point out that approx. 600 deaths have been attributed to the evacuation itself.

This article by Mark Lynas, which attacks the paper as "junk science," has a very lively comments section with a strong back and forth between Jacobson and Lynas, as well as many others:

http://www.marklynas.org/2012/07/fukushima-death-tolls-junk-science/

Jacobson has collected supplementary info, comments, and replies here:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/fukushima.html
 
  • #567
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20120801/1230_tako.html Octopus fished in the Fukushima waters was sold in Tokyo and Nagoya for the first time since the accident
http://mainichi.jp/english/english/newsselect/news/20120802p2a00m0na009000c.html "First seafood shipment from Fukushima Pref. made to Tsukiji market since nuke disaster"

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20120727/1645_kuni.html decontamination work performed under the direct management of the national government was started for the first time in the evacuation zone, in Tamura city, on 27 July. On that day they did such things as removing fallen leaves at the cemetery, in preparation for the traditional visit at the Obon festival on 15 August. The goal for Tamura is to ultimately decontaminate 400 houses and 420 hectares of forests by March 2013. The decontamination efforts in the 11 cities and villages of the evacuation zone is planned to be completed by the end of March 2014. The Ministry of environment was supposed to prepare the plans by March of this year but in 6 cities and villages such as Futaba, Namie and Tomioka, the plan has not been prepared yet. Among the cities and villages where the plan was prepared, only in two of them, Tamura and Naraha have the contractor companies been decided.
 
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  • #568
Nature: "The biological impacts of the Fukushima nuclear accident on the pale grass blue butterfly"

The collapse of the Fukushima Dai-ichi Nuclear Power Plant caused a massive release of radioactive materials to the environment. A prompt and reliable system for evaluating the biological impacts of this accident on animals has not been available. Here we show that the accident caused physiological and genetic damage to the pale grass blue Zizeeria maha, a common lycaenid butterfly in Japan. We collected the first-voltine adults in the Fukushima area in May 2011, some of which showed relatively mild abnormalities. The F1 offspring from the first-voltine females showed more severe abnormalities, which were inherited by the F2 generation. Adult butterflies collected in September 2011 showed more severe abnormalities than those collected in May. Similar abnormalities were experimentally reproduced in individuals from a non-contaminated area by external and internal low-dose exposures. We conclude that artificial radionuclides from the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant caused physiological and genetic damage to this species.

http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/120809/srep00570/full/srep00570.html
 
  • #570
http://radioactivity.mext.go.jp/ja/contents/6000/5847/24/203_0727.pdf Hokkaido helicopter map

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/genpatsu-fukushima/20120821/1930_plutonium.html The ministry of education and science released a study performed last June and July, taking Earth samples in Fukushima prefecture and looking for plutonium concentrations. Plutonium was found in 10 locations. 0.69 Bq/m² of Pu238 and 2 Bq/m² of Pu239 and Pu240 put together were found in Iitate. It is thought to be a release from the nuclear accident. Plutonium had been found in 6 locations in a previous survey performed in September 2011.

http://radioactivity.mext.go.jp/ja/contents/7000/6030/24/5600_0821.pdf The ministry of education and science's plutonium survey
 
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