Jets speeding up earths rotaion

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential impact of jets landing in a uniform direction on the Earth's rotation. Participants explore the forces involved during landing and takeoff, considering whether these could influence the rotation of the Earth over time. The conversation touches on concepts of closed systems and frictional forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the force of jets landing in the same direction could affect the Earth's rotation, particularly focusing on the braking force during landing.
  • Another participant asserts that as long as jets remain within the atmosphere, the Earth and jets can be treated as a closed system, implying that external effects are negligible.
  • A different participant argues that while landing involves greater friction with the ground, takeoff generates much greater thrust against the atmosphere, suggesting that the net effect on Earth's rotation would be zero.
  • One participant concurs with the idea that any potential effect on Earth's rotation would only occur if jets were to leave the atmosphere, comparing it to throwing an object on a frictionless surface.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the impact of jets on Earth's rotation is negligible while remaining in the atmosphere, but there is some debate about the mechanics of forces involved during landing and takeoff.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the complexities of the forces at play or the assumptions regarding the closed system, leaving open questions about the conditions under which jets might affect Earth's rotation.

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I don't know where to put this. But I was thinking about the force of a jet landing (actually stopping using the brakes) Is it possible that if all jets landed the same direction could it slow down or speed up the Earth's rotation after time?

Because a jet using thrust to take off I don't think there would be as much effect on force or friction on the tires as would stopping.. I always think of stupid stuff like this
 
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As long as the jets don't leave the atmosphere, the whole Earth and all jets on it can be considered a closed system. There's no need to look at the details to prove it.
 
Although it's true that the tires would not experience as much friction during takeoff as during landing, the thrust of the jet engines against the atmosphere is much greater during takeoff. So the jets takeoff with little friction against the ground and much great friction against the air, and land with little friction against the air and great friction against the ground. Net result; zero.
 
I would have to agree. The only way it would have any effect would be to leave the atmosphere.

In that case, it is like throwing your shoe when lying on a frictionless surface.
 

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