Does a Pulled Air-Filled Rubber Ball Sink?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a rubber ball filled with air when pulled underwater, specifically whether it will eventually lose enough buoyancy to sink. The scope includes theoretical considerations of buoyancy, material properties under pressure, and comparisons to biological adaptations in marine animals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that a rubber ball filled with air will collapse under pressure, raising the question of whether it will lose enough buoyancy to sink.
  • One participant asserts that the ball will only sink if the material is denser than water.
  • A comparison is made to prolate steel spheroids, suggesting that similar principles apply when the water pressure exceeds a certain threshold, leading to sinking.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that liquid carbon dioxide behaves differently under pressure, becoming denser than seawater at great depths, which may relate to buoyancy concepts.
  • Some participants discuss how dolphins utilize lung collapse to achieve negative buoyancy, allowing them to dive efficiently, questioning if this is due to increased density compared to surrounding water.
  • There is a clarification request regarding the relationship between lung collapse and density, with a participant confirming the connection but noting the source of their information is not reliable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conditions under which a rubber ball will sink, with no consensus reached on the specific mechanics involved or the implications of density and buoyancy in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding material properties, pressure thresholds, and biological adaptations remain unexamined, and the discussion does not resolve the complexities of buoyancy in varying conditions.

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If a rubber ball is fill with air, attached to a cord and pulled under water, I assumed it collapses under pressure at some rate. The question is, will it at some point lose enough bouyancy to sink to the bottom?
 
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If a rubber ball is fill with air, attached to a cord and pulled under water, I assumed it collapses under pressure at some rate.

yes


The question is, will it at some point lose enough bouyancy to sink to the bottom?

only if the material is denser than water...
 
Liquid carbon dioxide is more compressible than water, and undergoes a http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/Archive/sea-carb-bish.html:
"At great depths, CO2 is denser than sea water, and it may be possible to store it on the bottom as liquid or deposits of icy hydrates," Bishop explains. "At depths easy to reach with pipes, CO2 is buoyant; it has to be diluted and dispersed so it will dissolve."
 
I heard once that dolphins use this to be able to efficiently dive deep. They go deep enough that their lungs collapse sufficiently that they become negatively buoyant and can just drop down to their desired depth.
 
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I heard once that dolphins use this to be able to efficiently dive deep. They go deep enough that their lungs collapse sufficiently that they become negatively buoyant and can just drop down to their desired depth.

Just to clarify and make sure I understand, upon having their lungs collapse, the reason they are able to sink lower is because they are more dense than the water under them.

Am I right?
 
Yes, although I just vaguely remember reading that in a pop-sci journal so it is not a reliable reference or anything.
 

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