Kernal and Range of a Linear Transformation

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The discussion revolves around the linear transformation L defined from the space of polynomials of degree 2 (p2) to polynomials of degree 3 (p3), specifically examining the kernel and range of L, where L(p(t)) = t^2 p'(t). Participants are tasked with finding a basis and dimension for both the kernel and range of this transformation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the implications of the transformation by substituting specific polynomial forms into L and discussing the resulting expressions. Questions arise regarding the correctness of proposed bases for the kernel and range, particularly whether certain polynomials belong to the kernel.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the rank-nullity theorem and the dimensions of the kernel and range, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct bases for the kernel and range.

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There is some confusion regarding the dimensions of the kernel and range in relation to the dimensions of the polynomial spaces involved. Participants are also grappling with the definitions of the kernel and the implications of the transformation on specific polynomial forms.

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Let L:p2 >>> p3 be the linear transformation defined by L(p(t)) = t^2 p'(t).
(a) Find a basis for and the dimension of ker(L).
(b) Find a basis for and the dimension of range(L).

The hint that I get is to begin by finding an explicit formula for L by determining
L(at^2 + bt + c).
Does this hint mean let p(t) = at^2 + bt + c?
Then, I find that t^2 p'(t) = 2at^3 + bt^2.
Then, I conclude that the basis for ker(L) = {1}.
Is it right?
Also, how to find range(L)?

Thanks
 
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Factorise...

<br /> L(at^{2}+bt+c)=2at^{3}+bt^{2}=t^{2}(2at+b)<br />

This will be zero when t=0 or t=-b/2a, so...
 
hunt_mat said:
Factorise...

<br /> L(at^{2}+bt+c)=2at^{3}+bt^{2}=t^{2}(2at+b)<br />

This will be zero when t=0 or t=-b/2a, so...

That doesn't have much to do with the problem. hkus10 correctly has ker(L)={1} and having written L(p(t))=2at^3+bt^2 the answer to the dimension and a basis of range(L) should be pretty obvious. Why isn't it hkus10? What's a basis for p3?
 
is the basis for ker(L) {t, 1} and the basis for range(L) {t^3, t^2}?
 
hkus10 said:
is the basis for ker(L) {t, 1} and the basis for range(L) {t^3, t^2}?

Two steps forward, one step backward. Yes, that's a basis for range(L). But now your basis for ker(L) is wrong. I liked your ker(L)={1} a lot better. Why did you put t in? Is t in the kernel?
 
hkus10 said:
is the basis for ker(L) {t, 1} and the basis for range(L) {t^3, t^2}?

I believe you have a workable basis for range(L). However, I think your basis for ker(L) has too many entries.
 
Since L(at^2 + bt + c) = 2at^3 + bt^2
No matter what value of t and 1, 2a^3 + bt^2 should always give me 0 vector. So, I have a question why Ker(L) does not have t as a basis?
Another question is dim Ker(L) + dim range(L) = dim (p3) by thm. since the dim range(L) = 2 and dim (p3) = 4, why dim ker(L) not equal to 2?
 
hkus10 said:
Since L(at^2 + bt + c) = 2at^3 + bt^2
No matter what value of t and 1, 2a^3 + bt^2 should always give me 0 vector. So, I have a question why Ker(L) does not have t as a basis?
Another question is dim Ker(L) + dim range(L) = dim (p3) by thm. since the dim range(L) = 2 and dim (p3) = 4, why dim ker(L) not equal to 2?

The rank nullity theorem tells you dim ker(L)+dim range(L)=dim(p2). Not dim(p3). dim(p2)=3. t is not in ker(L) because L(t) is not zero. L(t)=t^2. t^2 is not zero.
 
Dick said:
The rank nullity theorem tells you dim ker(L)+dim range(L)=dim(p2). Not dim(p3). dim(p2)=3. t is not in ker(L) because L(t) is not zero. L(t)=t^2. t^2 is not zero.

Thanks
 

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