Kinematics and Work-Energy problem with skier

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics and work-energy problem involving a skier landing on a slope. Participants are questioning the assumptions made about the skier's final velocity upon landing and the implications of that on energy conservation and collision dynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are examining the validity of the teacher's assumption that the skier's final velocity does not change upon landing. They are questioning how the skier could change direction without altering the magnitude of velocity and discussing the implications of an inelastic collision with the ground.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active with participants offering various perspectives on the skier's landing dynamics. Some have suggested that the design of the ski ramp may not realistically allow for the assumptions made, while others are exploring the conditions under which the skier could land without losing velocity.

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Participants are considering the effects of friction and the skier's technique, such as flexing knees to absorb kinetic energy, as well as the angle of the slope in relation to the skier's trajectory.

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Please look at attached picture.

Why did my teacher assume that vf does not change upon landing in the last sub-question? This makes no sense to me. Is there such a way that the skier can change direction of vf without changing the magnitude of it? Otherwise, the skier will collide in an inelastic collision with the ground (since he does not bounce off) and this means that all the vertical velocity is lost. I would calculate vertical velocity of vf and use that to find work done.
 

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Excellent question. I think you are right in challenging teacher: after all most of the final speed is vertical (at least 36 m/s, horizontal at most 10 m/s) so landing parallel to the slope would require an angle of 75 degrees wrt horizontal, a lot more than the 35 degrees in the drawing.

(a 75 degree slope could arc to 0 degrees so that speed isn't lost -- clearly not provided for in the drawing).

The design of the ski ramp in the drawing is murderous. If you look at a real ramp you see that the ground follows the dotted line much closer than the straight one that says 100 m, so that skiers don't fall to their death.
 
One doubt remains: even the skier lands parallel to the ground, there is still a collision, a loss of velocity, no?
 
Can the skier ever land without losing some velocity?
 
If we factor out the friction, the speed lost is the speed perpendicular to the slope; you flex your knees to absorb that part of the kinetic energy. So the unlikely case where landing velocity and slope are parallel and the skiers trajectory is tangent to the slope at the touchdown point would not require flexing and not involve loss of tangential speed (which is all speed at that point). Subsequently following an arc to redirect the speed more horizontally doesn't necessarily require flexing -- it only requires some resistance to high g forces.
 

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