Kinematics cases with non-constant acceleration

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The discussion revolves around kinematic problems involving non-constant acceleration, particularly focusing on how to derive position and velocity functions from acceleration that may depend on time, position, or both. Participants explore the implications of different forms of acceleration functions and the challenges associated with solving the resulting differential equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that when acceleration is a function of position, velocity becomes position-dependent, while time-dependent acceleration leads to velocity being dependent on specific time instants.
  • Another participant points out that if acceleration depends on both velocity and time, the resulting differential equation may be complex and typically requires numerical methods for solutions.
  • A participant emphasizes that the core equation to solve remains a second-order differential equation, which can involve derivatives of varying orders of the position variable.
  • There is a suggestion that it may sometimes be easier to solve for velocity first, transforming the problem into a first-order differential equation, although this approach may not always be applicable.
  • A computational example is provided to illustrate the process of solving a specific differential equation related to the discussed acceleration function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the best approach to solving the differential equations arising from different forms of acceleration. There is no consensus on a single method being superior, and the discussion remains open regarding the complexities involved in these problems.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that not all functions can be analytically integrated or differentiated, and the difficulty of obtaining analytical solutions is noted, suggesting a reliance on numerical methods in many cases.

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Kinematics cases with non-constant acceleration
Hello,

I understand that, for 1D kinematic problems where the acceleration function ##a_x## is initially given along with the initial conditions, we can use calculus (differentiation and integration) to get the position ##x(t)## and velocity ##v_x (t)## of the moving object.
  • When the acceleration is a function of position only, the velocity will also be a function of position and not depend on time, i.e. the object will always have the same velocity when it is found at a particular position.
  • When the acceleration is a function of time ##t## only, regardless of where the object's position, the object's velocity will have specific values at instants of time after motion starts (Ex: a rocket accelerating moving upward has a time-dependent acceleration...or is it an example of position dependent acceleration?)
If the acceleration depended instead on two independent variables, for ex: ##a_x (v,t)= 3t^2 +v^3##, we would need to perform double integration to get position and velocity function as a function of time. Is it that simple or am I missing some subtle points? Not all function can be analytically integrated or differentiated...

Thanks!
 
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For your example it means a differential equation of
\frac{d^2x}{dt^2}-3t^2-(\frac{dx}{dt})^3=0
We have to solve this equation to know x(t) which also tells us v(t) and a(t). Usually it is very difficult to get analytical solution but we may get numerical solution by computer.
 
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Thank you.

At the end of the day, the equation to solve remains $$\frac {d^2 x} {dt^2}=...$$ with whatever is found on the right-had side, which is generally derivatives of the variable ##x## of different order...
 
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Thank you.

At the end of the day, the equation to solve remains $$\frac {d^2 x} {dt^2}=...$$ with whatever is found on the right-had side, which is generally derivatives of the variable ##x## of different order...
Not necessarily. Depending on the differential equation you have, it might be easier to solve ##\dfrac{dv}{dt}=\dots~## then integrate to find ##x(t)##.
In your example, you will have to solve ##\dfrac{dv_x}{dt}=3t^2+v_x^3## which is still not separable but at least it's a first-order differential equation.
 
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